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Posted: May 31, 2006 - 3:32 AM GMT

All the discussion of A-Basin has led me to wonder - has there ever been a ski area which normally operates seasonally (this would excludes areas on glaciers like Hood and Whistler) which has operated through the summer in an exceptional snow year?

Someone mentioned A-Basin closing Sept. 1 and opening Sept 15. Has any area made it thru without closing from one ski season into the next? Is this a-basin example as close as we come?


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Posted: May 31, 2006 - 3:25 PM GMT

This should included Mt. Hood and Whistler, because they do closed for the season, although they off-season is much shorter than others.

I don't think any other areas has remained open all year. Mammoth has made to August.

The first year (1987-88 ) that Blackcomb had a t-bar on Horseman glacier, I believe the ski area never closed and remained open for twelve months in a row. I visited a friend that had move to Whistler that year. The June skiing on 7th Heaven and Saudan was awesome.

Blackcomb now closes then re-opens for the Summer to final close on July 30th.

I believe Tignes in France is also open and never shutdown.


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Posted: May 31, 2006 - 3:51 PM GMT
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EDIT: Oh wait, missed the exclusion of Hood part. Anyway read below about how cool Timberline is.

Timberline on Mt. Hood regularly operates year 'round with a short break for maintenance after Labor Day. The Palmer Snowfields offer good summer skiing and acutally close in mid winter due to the weather being too extreme on the open exposed flanks of Mt. Hood. Their non-snowfield base is still 120".

http://www.timberlinelodge.com/

The Portland/Mt Hood area of Oregon is one of the coolest places to live on the US, with huge recreation opportunities within close proximity of Downtown Portland.

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Posted: May 31, 2006 - 7:44 PM GMT

I can't think of a ski area that normally operates seasonally ever having enough snow to go all year. Even Timberline's maintenance closure after Labor Day is getting longer each year, due to (generally) later snows. As for glaciers, only Kitzsteinhorn and Hintertux in Austria and Zermatt in Switzerland now go year 'round (Passo Tonale now closes for a maintenance period, I believe). Tigne reopens for the summer glacier season June 17; they have been closing after the regular season to make snow and do other maintenance on the glacier. Alpe d'Huez has decided to forego a summer glacier season while they ponder installing snowmaking. La Plagne gave up its summer season a few years ago. Saas-Fee will reopen in a couple of weeks. The glacier season on Blackcomb's Horstman Glacier seems to get shorter every year. Seems to me that unless one is willing to hike and also lives in the high mountains of the world year 'round skiing is pretty rare.
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Posted: May 31, 2006 - 7:56 PM GMT

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Seems to me that unless one is willing to hike and also lives in the high mountains of the world year 'round skiing is pretty rare.


Well if were taking abouut individuals, I think that there are more all year skiers than all year ski areas.

Check out the Ski Streak guy:

http://www.skistreak.com/

Every month for the last 13 years.


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Posted: May 31, 2006 - 8:02 PM GMT

Thanks for the info, I've heard a bit about this guy. Some people would say he's O-C big time but I prefer to think of him as dedicated!
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Posted: Jun 02, 2006 - 4:04 AM GMT

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has there ever been a ski area which normally operates seasonally (this would excludes areas on glaciers like Hood and Whistler) which has operated through the summer in an exceptional snow year?


Not only would you need an exceptional snow year but it would need to be followed by an exceptionally cold summer and even then I doubt it.

I remember that only a few seasons ago that northern NE had some epic late season snows and there was talk of very late closings but during April there were several 80 to 90 degree days and significant base was lost.

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Posted: Jun 02, 2006 - 12:09 PM GMT

To find year around skiing in the west is easy. What about the east?

Although a bit of an oddity, I am told that people have skied (on snow) at Killington in every month of the year. September to June with lifts. But in the 1990's when Killington was open as late as June 22 with lifts, there was still skiable snow to make a few turns in July, and people were out there.

August happened once that I am aware of, in '83 or'84 when there was a freak early season snowstorm that put about 4-inches on the ground at the top of Killington Peak. They did get a skier out there before it melted and it was in the newspapers.

While Tuckermans tends to be completely melted out by late June, in the '68-'69 season (one of the snowiest on record), skiable patches remained until mid-August, so there has been snow skiing there too in every month of the year

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Posted: Jun 02, 2006 - 1:44 PM GMT
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If money was no object I would say that some of the higher peaks in NE could do a 10 month season. That would require big time snowmaking during the winter to build as big a base as possible and we all know that resorts could do that if they could afford it since Killington used to go up to July 1st (or was it June 1st). Then once you get into late August you can get occasional nights dipping below freezing. Perhaps enough snow could be blown on those nights to squeak by. Obviously this would be terribly expensive and would never happen but as I said..... if money was no object.
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Posted: Jun 02, 2006 - 3:25 PM GMT

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If money was no object I would say that some of the higher peaks in NE could do a 10 month season.
.... Obviously this would be terribly expensive and would never happen but as I said..... if money was no object.


Well, Rick, Tenney was going to try it and their effort was a resounding failure.

It seems that a bit of market analysis needs to be done. If a place ala Tenney could put down a nice patch of snow in September or October of a few hundred square yards on a 20-foot vertical rope tow area and market, "learn-to-ski" in the comfort of autumn and be ready to go up a"real lift" in time for Christmas, they might atually have something.

I can't tell you how many -20 degree wind-chill days that I think parents should be turned in to DYS for child cruelty for sending their 5-year olds out to learn in those conditions.

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Posted: Jun 02, 2006 - 8:17 PM GMT

Think beyond the box. Is there any publically owned land anywhere in the whites or greens or in maine that has enough elevation to support 1 simple high elevation rope tow? I'm saying look beyond existing areas

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Posted: Jun 02, 2006 - 8:37 PM GMT

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Think beyond the box. Is there any publically owned land anywhere in the whites or greens or in maine that has enough elevation to support 1 simple high elevation rope tow? I'm saying look beyond existing areas


With adequate water for the necessary snowmaking? Unlikely. The odds are better for a Dubai-style indoor facility in a major metropolitan area.

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Posted: Jun 02, 2006 - 9:44 PM GMT

I believe an indoor ski facility is proposed and well along in planning for the Meadowlands just outside NYC.

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Posted: Jun 03, 2006 - 1:37 PM GMT

The 96-97 season at Sugarloaf

Sugarloaf made snow in October, I Hiked up and Skied, then they opened in November, closed in may, and reopened for June 1st. That year they had just built a new Freestyle jump and made the takeoff completely out of snow. That stuck around until August 1st, so I made turns July 31st and August 1st. One time when it snowed in September, someone took a few turns, so turns have been made in every month at Sugarloaf.

Also in the 80's Snow was preserved with blankets and people skied in the summer.

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Posted: Jun 03, 2006 - 1:38 PM GMT

The 96-97 season at Sugarloaf

Sugarloaf made snow in October, I Hiked up and Skied, then they opened in November, closed in may, and reopened for June 1st. That year they had just built a new Freestyle jump and made the takeoff completely out of snow. That stuck around until August 1st, so I made turns July 31st and August 1st. One time when it snowed in September, someone took a few turns, so turns have been made in every month at Sugarloaf.

Also in the 80's Snow was preserved with blankets and people skied in the summer.


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Posted: Jun 03, 2006 - 7:07 PM GMT

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[quote]Think beyond the box. Is there any publically owned land anywhere in the whites or greens or in maine that has enough elevation to support 1 simple high elevation rope tow? I'm saying look beyond existing areas


With adequate water for the necessary snowmaking? Unlikely. The odds are better for a Dubai-style indoor facility in a major metropolitan area.[/quote]

And in the case of dubai, it is enjoyable for about 10 minutes, then horribly boring. Good for learning though, a girl i knew over there took a bunch of lessons at the ski dome and was skiing top to bottom in france a few weeks later without a single day outside of the ski dome.


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Posted: Jun 03, 2006 - 10:10 PM GMT

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And in the case of dubai, it is enjoyable for about 10 minutes, then horribly boring. Good for learning though, a girl i knew over there took a bunch of lessons at the ski dome and was skiing top to bottom in france a few weeks later without a single day outside of the ski dome.


While I've never skied in a dome, I did spend a few years living in the mid-west. When I skied at "Perfect North Slope, IN", which has a vertical comparable to a dome, there was a magnificent mogul run that the management left ungroomed and it provided a great deal of enjoyable skiing for a lot more than 10-minutes. I'm sure that could be done in a dome.

Also, with the growth of riders over skiers, an indoor facility with a nice half-pipe and a few terrain features would also keep many a boarder happy for more than 10-minutes.

And as I stated before and you confirmed: what a great opportunity for a beginner to learn the basics without freezing in the January cold. While this applies to children, adults don't care much for freezing either!

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Posted: Jun 05, 2006 - 5:14 PM GMT

I think it was possible about 11,000 years ago. The late 19th Century saw a few very cool summers in the Northeast. We need a super volcano to fill the atmosphere with ash to block sunlight. Then we'll be able to ski all year for at least on season.
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Posted: Jun 06, 2006 - 8:48 PM GMT

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I think it was possible about 11,000 years ago.

I think you are confusing this with the last time you could get a lift ticket in Vermont for under $10

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Posted: Jun 07, 2006 - 2:26 AM GMT

The Jackson Hole tram just opened up for the summer season last week and due to the copious amounts of snow probably more skiers than hikers for now. Ya can't ski inbounds but a very short walk from the tramdock gets you to the BC. The best part is that the ride up for locals is free until the tourists arrive.

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