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NEWS - Burke, VT Officially Purchased by Ginn

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Posted: Nov 30, 2005 - 3:09 PM GMT

You can read all about it here in the Cal-Wreck.


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Posted: Nov 30, 2005 - 5:38 PM GMT
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There's also some new photos of the lift on Burke's website. It kind of makes me wonder what the effect on Lift Maintenence will be when they have to be trained to work on that thing. It's quite different from the old CTEC quad, the J-Bar and the POMA that they have now, with ten times the moving parts and computer codes. I know just being a foreman at Mt. Sunapee, when I was trained to be foreman of it I had to go through three solid days of looking at different error codes, seeing how most of the lift worked, so I'd know what the problem was when the lift stops and the read out panel says "Drive Departure Zone 4 Fault Code 3." Which roughly translates into a chair taking too long to go through the terminal, usually because of a heavy chair.

Edit: Here's the link to their site: Burke Mountain Construction Photos

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Posted: Nov 30, 2005 - 6:45 PM GMT

Glad to hear they will have some financing - my only concern is that the area will be homogenized like so many other mountains have been.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2005 - 7:17 PM GMT

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Glad to hear they will have some financing - my only concern is that the area will be homogenized like so many other mountains have been.


I hear you, but as you know from spending four years at LSC, a big chunk of the local economy depends on Burke's success. If these guys homogenize the place to compete with the likes of Okemo, BW, etc., then I'm going to support them. I'd rather see a homogonized Burke than have to read about Burke on NELSAP.

That said, I'm looking forward to getting over there this season to check out the changes that have been made.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2005 - 9:02 PM GMT

Good to hear. My Brother is at LSC right now. What a great chance to nail a job in Ski area managment.

BUT.....(isn't there always with dirk?) I hope this place dosen't turn into another Ascutney. Ya know, The "If you build it, They will come". Well they didn't to Ascutney, I don't know if they will to Burke either......................
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Posted: Nov 30, 2005 - 9:55 PM GMT

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I hope this place dosen't turn into another Ascutney. Ya know, The "If you build it, They will come". Well they didn't to Ascutney, I don't know if they will to Burke either......................


Well The Ginn Company is first and foremost a real estate company, second they have zero experience, based on their RE portfolio, of running a ski resort. They are, up until now, a company that specilaizes in southern and caribbean resorts.

This does have echo's of Ascutney, but hopefully these guys hire good people who know the mountian and can help guide it in a sensible direction.

(BTW and for the record, I've never forgiven the guys who bought Ascutney in the 80's and remodeled the base lodge. It had this great fireplace which they removed so they could make better use of space [Whew! finally got that off my chest ])

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Posted: Dec 01, 2005 - 2:56 AM GMT

It's finally official! As a former member of the Burke Management Team (prior to the 2000 bankrupcy auction- I'm no longer in the ski biz), I'm well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the Mt. In my opinion, it offers some of the finest ski terrain in the northeast. It really does have it all...great learning terrain (perhaps the finest in New England), outstanding intermediate cruising terrain, the most underrated glades in VT. Burke offers a great mix of modern and classic trail construction. It's not the steepest terrain around, but the upper Mt. is a solid 1,400 vert. with very little run out. The new lift is just a sign of things to come. Rumor has it, a new HSQ for the summit has been ordered for next year. I would assume that the current summit lift will finally be relocated in the east bowl. During my time at the Mt., I really pushed for an additional fixed grip lift to service the Dippers (unload near the camp ground). Perhaps this is still being considered, as it would help close the gap on lack of lower intermediate terrain. Snowmaking improvements will be the icing on the cake.

So...what's the problem?? Location? Burke is actually an easy (albeit) long drive. Most VT resorts would give up their HSQ's to be 7 miles from the interstate! The problem is you have to drive by major competitors to go to Burke. It is almost impossible to convince the "average" MA/NH skier to drive the extra hour past loon, waterville, cannon, or Bretton Woods. This always blew my mind, as the typical Loon skier has no problem with spending that extra hour waiting in the gondola line! So...the daytrip market isn't an option. During my time with the MT, we never had trouble filling the condos and local inns during weekends and holidays. The problem is, not enough beds in the area. Not enough beds, not enough skiers! One of the first things you'll see the new ownership group start work on is real estate/bedbase. There is TREMENDOUS oportunity for real estate development in the Burke area! It is one of the last untouched resort areas in the Northeast. While I'm excited for the development, I'm concerned about the area losing its charm. The locals are very proud of their town, and can make things very difficult for operators of the Mt. Hopefully, the new owners will keep this in mind during their developement. New lifts, new snowmaking, some (not too much) trail work/redesign (the summit trail layout/liftline never made much sense to me), and more lodging options. If they do it right, they will have one hell of a resort. They better have one hell of a marketing budget to spread the word!
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Posted: Dec 01, 2005 - 11:48 AM GMT

First of all, Burke isn't an hour from Loon if you are a safe and responsible driver. I had this confrontation with some guy from a resort at the Ski Show. He said his mtn. was only a 3 hours and 15 minutes drive from Boston. I said >>Ya, if you break the law.<< He said >>Hey, I set my governor to 78 m.p.h. and cruise the whole way.<< I just walked away. Burke, like all the Vt. resorts isn't an easy drive from Boston. All the N.H. resorts except the one in Dixfield Notch require not only more drive time, but more difficult drive time. However, Burke Mtn. has to advertise the fact that they are more accessible to Boston than Killington, Stowe and Sugarbush. That would require a major advertising campaign that I hope doesn't happen.
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Posted: Dec 01, 2005 - 1:23 PM GMT
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hey swiftie! if you only drive 55 mph on the highway, then yes, burke probably is more than 1 more from loon. but for the rest of us driving at least the speed limit, it is a heck of a lot faster. i used to make it to burke in just under 3 hours doing between 65-70 mph the whole way except through the notch. the fact is, burke is a lot closer to boston area than most people think and not that much further up 93 than it's NH competition. bedbase at the mountain will be a tremendous help for the mountain though as perception is often very different than reality. fact is, burke is closer to boston than stowe, smuggs, jay, mrg, bolton, and sugarbush and is about the same time or slightly closer in some situations but a MUCH easier drive than places like kmart, mount sneaux, stratton, bromley, and magic. burke definitely benefits from being one of the closest major ski areas to the interstate which is definitely a tremendous benefit given some of the drives you gotta make off interstate to most VT areas.

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Posted: Dec 01, 2005 - 1:28 PM GMT

I'm with River. When I lived in StJ, I could make it to 128 in 2.5 hours (I generally drive around 70 mph on the highways). Burke is 15-20 minutes from StJ. 128 is 15 min from Boston (no traffic). Three hours is not unreasonable from Boston.
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Posted: Dec 01, 2005 - 2:18 PM GMT

I'm here at LSC, being 10 minutes away from Burke and I know that it's just about an hour north of Loon. I skied Loon last year coming from LSC and the drive was a little less than an hour. I know I wasn't breaking the speed limit or traffic laws because my pickup is too warn out anyway to do such a thing. My pickup will do 70mph on the interstate, but it works pretty hard to maintain it.

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Posted: Dec 01, 2005 - 4:05 PM GMT

How long ago was the "conversation" you had at the ski show? If it was the late 90's, you may have been talking to me. Trust me, the drive from loon to Burke can be done safely in about an hour. I would set my cruise to 75. The only time I would have to turn it off would be in the notch. I made the trip to Boston weekly. I could do it in 3-3:15 hours.
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Posted: Dec 01, 2005 - 4:29 PM GMT

Oh, so ulysses is swiftie's current nomme de plume here? Should have figured , given the bombast at the horror of "breaking the law" by driving faster than 55. I've never seen such a large soap box.
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Posted: Dec 01, 2005 - 5:59 PM GMT

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Oh, so ulysses is swiftie's current nomme de plume here? Should have figured , given the bombast at the horror of "breaking the law" by driving faster than 55.


I wouldn't count on it. Wasn't Swiftskier strongly in favor of not only speeding, but also drinking while driving? Or have I confused him with a different troll?

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Posted: Dec 01, 2005 - 6:29 PM GMT

Definitely a different troll. swiftskier was morally and intellectually superior to most Earthlings.
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Posted: Dec 01, 2005 - 6:46 PM GMT

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[quote]Oh, so ulysses is swiftie's current nomme de plume here? Should have figured , given the bombast at the horror of "breaking the law" by driving faster than 55.


I wouldn't count on it. Wasn't Swiftskier strongly in favor of not only speeding, but also drinking while driving? Or have I confused him with a different troll?
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Yes, it WAS Swiftie. But at that time, I believe he went by the name of SnowGlider. I believe he said he could polish off a few six packs of beer to relax on the way home after a hard day on the slopes. That was right about the time that he also said that he was tired of hearing people whine about the child who was killed on the hill.
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Posted: Dec 01, 2005 - 8:49 PM GMT

If I remember correctly we went through the time to Burke thing last year on another forum, sounds like the same guy. Anyway we do the Burke drive pretty much every Friday nite from Christmas thru the end of March - Lincoln exit to the condo at Burke 1 hour, not flying.
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Posted: Dec 02, 2005 - 3:45 AM GMT

Skifastinvt,

Check your private messages.... I worked in the VT ski industry from 94-99 and may know you.


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Posted: Dec 02, 2005 - 10:13 AM GMT
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>>the rest of us driving at least the speed limit, it is a heck of a lot faster<< Why not be honest with yourself? That should read >>For the vast majority of mindless fools endangering the roadways who scoff at the law and break it at will, it is a hell of a lot faster way to dig an early grave, waste natural resources and personal wealth, and conform to the will of the silent, stupid majority. >>Anyway we do the Burke drive pretty much every Friday nite from Christmas thru the end of March - Lincoln exit to the condo at Burke 1 hour, not flying.<< Shouln't that read >>We, the weekend warriors with little driving experience and disgusting personal manners, rush to get to the mountains with all the other ignorant peasants on crouded nerve-wracking hiways so we can ski equally crouded and dangerous intermediate slopes at breakneck speeds in order to think we are skilled sportsmen when we are nothing more than awkward, dumb clods with no minds of our own.
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I'm with River. When I lived in StJ, I could make it to 128 in 2.5 hours (I generally drive around 70 mph on the highways). Burke is 15-20 minutes from StJ. 128 is 15 min from Boston (no traffic). Three hours is not unreasonable from Boston.
That's breaking the law, plain and simple. You are advocating breaking the law. I'm sure the state police in Vt., N.H. and Ma. will be interested in your website.
I also love this troll stuff. I'm advocationg respecting the law so I'm a troll. What a pack of arrogant insignificant fools.
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Posted: Dec 02, 2005 - 10:25 AM GMT

When I had my Tracker I was anything but a FAST driver as some here can attest. If I made it from Loon to Burke in 1 hour and 15 minutes in that vehicle it CAN be done in an hour easily.

At any rate, it is WELL worth the drive time to go to Burke.

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