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Posted: Nov 25, 2005 - 1:27 AM GMT

What are the lost ski areas with the most acrage and/or vertical in the east?
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Posted: Nov 25, 2005 - 3:48 AM GMT

From an earlier thread:

Based on inputs to date, this appears to be the next iteration of the proposed final list of the east's abandoned 1000+ foot ski areas:

ME:
Enchanted 1200
Evergreen Valley 1050

NH:
Mittersill 1400
Thorn 1300
Tyrol 1000
Mt. Whittier 1180
(Moose Mt. - 940)
(Whaleback - 900 although some sources suggest only 700)

VT
Prospect 1250
(Norwich Univ. - 920)

MA:
Brodie 1250

Other failed "nominees":
Crotched - 1980 Guide lists at 650
The Highlands - 700
Timber Ridge - 800
Maple Valley - 840

Other East in desccending order of vertical:
NY:
(Old) Whiteface Mt Ski Center (aka Marble Mountain) - 2850
Bearpen - 1900
Petersburg Pass/Taconic Trails/Mt. Raimer - 1606
(Note: The original Peterburg Pass was at most 600 vertical when they closed about 1966.)
Big Tupper - 1152
Highmont - 1050
No Name - 1040
Adirondack Ski Center - 1000
Dutchess - 1000 advertised but terraserver suggests closer to 900

Bobcat is nominally open: 1050
North Creek is nominally open with a rope at the bottom but was 960 when it was a "real ski area"


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Posted: Nov 25, 2005 - 4:30 PM GMT

Prospect 1000' ?? I thought it was closer to 600+ (or so say NELSAP page and Terraserver...)...

Where is/was Adirondack Ski Center? Never heard of it and it isn't on Russ' page.
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Posted: Nov 25, 2005 - 6:23 PM GMT

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Prospect 1000' ?? I thought it was closer to 600+ (or so say NELSAP page and Terraserver...)...

Where is/was Adirondack Ski Center? Never heard of it and it isn't on Russ' page.


Adirondack: off NY 9N, 9-miles north of Saratoga Springs

Prospect is listed in various editions of the White Book at 1250 vertical. That doesn't make it authoritative


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Posted: Nov 26, 2005 - 1:41 PM GMT
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Where is/was Adirondack Ski Center? Never heard of it and it isn't on Russ' page.


It is listed under it's other name Alpine Meadows.

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Posted: Nov 28, 2005 - 2:16 PM GMT

Oh. One other. According to some old sources, a portable rope tow was brought into Tuckermans, I think in the late 40's. Would that make Tucks a NELSAP area?

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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 - 1:23 AM GMT

I got another question to add..... Where have you skied where there is a lost zone of the area, or a trail or two.... and what trail/zone of a resort do you miss the most?
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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 - 3:16 AM GMT

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I got another question to add..... Where have you skied where there is a lost zone of the area, or a trail or two.... and what trail/zone of a resort do you miss the most?


Again, taken from a previous thread: Abandoned Areas within Currently operating areas:

VT:
Sunrise at Killington
Upper Ramshead at Killington
Little Bromley at Bromley
Lower T-Bar area at Haystack
Timber Ridge at Magic Mountain
Poma-serviced West Side of the Bowl at Middlebury
Soon to be: Upper part of Spruce Peak at Stowe
Beginners area on the west side of Ascutney (Eaglebrook T-Bar)
Beginners area at Sugarbush served by a poma (trail called "Cat's Meow"

NH:
Original (or Crotched East) at Crotched
Upper T-Bar at Crotched
Single Chair area at Gunstock
Arrowhead

ME:
Upper Squaw given the malfunction of their main chair.

MA:
Thunder Mt. and Little Beaver at Berkshire East
*Eaglebrook #2 at Eaglebrook (listed as a separate area on NELSAP, but same ownership and a common peak)

Trails cut but lift never built
NH:
Tenney Mt. - to the right of the main lift looking up.
Loon Mt. - several trails near Lincoln


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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 - 2:33 PM GMT
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Trails cut but lift never built
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Tenney Mt. - to the right of the main lift looking up.
Loon Mt. - several trails near Lincoln

The liftline above the Inverness section of Sugarbush North.

After Sunday River built the first double chair on Barker Mountain back in the 70's, they stopped running the T-bar that went to the next peak east, which is now called Locke Mt. Several trails on that peak (Bim's Whim, Upper Sunday Punch) were inaccessible until the Locke Mt. Triple was built years later.
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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 - 3:43 PM GMT

Re: Sunday River- Upper Cascades (between Bim's Whim and t2) was allowed to grow in, too.

If you are at SR and stop by the Snow Cap Inn, they have great old maps in the reception area that you might like...they go back to the early 80's, I believe.

As for other adds:

Snuffy's, the connector between Spruce Peak (Stowe) and Sterling (Smuggs), is officially closed, but you can still get through.

The t-bar area at Glen Ellen. Footings are still there, and the trail is cleared.

Giant Killer poma at Pico. Might not fit the criteria, though, for the trail is still open...
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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 - 4:29 PM GMT

is the poma still in use at pico? or was it never operated?
i recall skiing the full length of giant killer w/friends in 1976 or so.there was no poma then that i can recall---

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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 - 5:00 PM GMT
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is the poma still in use at pico? or was it never operated?
i recall skiing the full length of giant killer w/friends in 1976 or so.there was no poma then that i can recall---

brian o


Brian,

The poma at Pico was there up until 2000. The bottom terminal and footings are still there, but the towers, top station, and rope are all gone They replaced the lift with a powerline and poles.

Bottom Station
Looking Down the Line
Old Footing


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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 - 5:04 PM GMT

Pico map

From teachski.com great site, BTW
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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 - 5:39 PM GMT

[quote]If you are at SR and stop by the Snow Cap Inn, they have great old maps in the reception area that you might like...they go back to the early 80's, I believe. [quote]
By any chance did they have a big painting, about 3 feet by 5 feet, showing the area when it had only 4 lifts? If so, I painted it about 1972. Sold it to them for $75. It looked very much like this. It was in their brochure for a few years but I never saved a copy.
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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 - 5:54 PM GMT

Was the Giant Killer Poma at Pico the Lower Snowden Poma transplanted from Killington?

I haven't skied Pico since the 76-7 season and that Poma wasn't there then.

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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 - 5:55 PM GMT

Wow- I remember that from back when I was but a wee lad...I may still have it kicking around. What I saw at the Inn was only Locke, I believe, but I don't recall exactly. It may have even been a photo, and it was oriented with the T-bars running straight up (roughly) the center of the map.
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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 - 7:39 PM GMT

About the lost area of Mittersill.... It's lost beneath a newer network of narrow, hand-cut and fairly well-traveled back-country trails maintained and named by anonymous "woodchuck" crews.

The new trail names ("Candy Land" is one, for example) are funny and have little to do with the original Mittersill trail names. Two original names remain in use.

1. The back-country skiers who hike over from Cannon still correctly call Baron's Run Baron's Run.

2. They use the original name of "North Slope," too, but they apply it to a trail originally called "Skyline."

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Posted: Nov 30, 2005 - 12:46 AM GMT

At Attitash, the current Saco trail is very much different from the old one. The older one is much more fun but crossed too many trails. The top section to the left of the Hall double (when riding it) was lost about 12 years ago when the trail was re-located and a wider route was blasted so the trail could be more beginner friendly.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2005 - 2:09 AM GMT

To "eastern powder baby":

Over the years many trails have been widened and altered.

The list I presented was not of trails changed or even trails allowed to grow over. It was specific to areas of a mountain that were once serviced by a lift that no longer are.

I hope that provides some clarification.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2005 - 2:59 AM GMT

If New York can be mentioned...

Hunter had a beginners area to the right of the base triple (D) lift. (looking uphill)
The area was turned into condos and the tubing park.
They're moving the tubing park again for timeshares.

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