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atomic68 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 06, 2004 Posts: 993 Location:	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 3:01 AM GMT so be it too also! __________

atomic68 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 06, 2004 Posts: 993 Location:	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 3:03 AM GMT AND I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO SAY!!! happy trails and happy holidays!!! __________

atomic68 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 06, 2004 Posts: 993 Location:	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 3:04 AM GMT Happy NEW YEAR TOO!! im just happy __________

riverc0il Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 05, 2002 Posts: 3185 Location:Ashland, NH	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 3:04 AM GMT while most ski areas DO misrepresent their trail counts and snow conditions (in general, there are notable exceptions cough MRG cough), the approach K took on their web site is quite different than the stadard fair most ski area web sites offer. for example, pull up their trail report for snowdon mountain and skye peak. lots of trails listed, looks like those mountains may even be 100% open. but not really. it is deceiving in a way that most areas do not deceive by listing only what is open and not what is closed. it's psychological maniuplation of people's perceptions. some consider that to be great marketing. others consider it to be misleading and dishonest. at least the trail map is on the web site now, so people who don't believe the hype can go back and forth between the trail map and the trail report to verify exactly how much is open and how much is closed. for the last month, you couldn't do that! __________ TheSnowWay.com

tommyadrian5 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 13, 2003 Posts: 563 Location:Right Behind You...	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 4:33 AM GMT Dirk, To answer your question. No, ASC's western operations and eastern operations, from a marketing standpoint, are completely independent. And if IIRC, even on the east coast individual mountains have their own individual marketing people, which follow a common program dictated for the eastern resorts. Besides, bulls**t is not necessary out west. Neither is hype, which is all killington is.

photogf128 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 10, 2004 Posts: 2605 Location:MRV Vermont	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 1:43 PM GMT Quote: ive got dodgeball with ben stiller right here but you are funnier the movie can wait Dodgeball is a very funny movie __________ facebook.com/profile.php?id=1454198707#!/pages/American-Photoart-Gallery/90884206988

lonk7880 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 05, 2004 Posts: 390 Location:New York, NY	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 2:45 PM GMT I don't really think that Kmart is decieving anybody. None of us are fooled, and I have a hard time believing that much of the skiing public knows that they aren't showing every trail on that report. Big deal? Its just a marketing tool. No one has anything to say about Stowe exaggerating trailcounts? I mean really, do you consider the 100 yards of Starr below Crossover to really be Starr? I couldn't believe it.

tommyadrian5 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 13, 2003 Posts: 563 Location:Right Behind You...	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 3:03 PM GMT yea, but is superstar (headwall, upper, middle, lower) really 4 trails

bondman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 19, 2003 Posts: 739 Location:bondville vt.	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 3:24 PM GMT My my Tommy, we really ARE upset about Killington are'nt we. But tell me, do western mountains highlight the incredible hassels of air travel in the new millenium? __________ God Bless Hannes Schneider

jaytrem Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 21, 2002 Posts: 1074 Location:	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 3:46 PM GMT At Mount Snow anniversary fests this weekend the former Marketing VP told an interesting story about how he now regretably helped escalate the trail count wars. When Mount Snow took over Haystack they instantly had the most trails and lifts in the east. They decided to run with that and put "Now the most lifts and trail in the east" on everything. Apparently the Killington folks weren't too happy about their little sister resort having more lifts and trails. He said he almost lost his job over it, but I suspect that was some exageration. Anyway, soon after that Killington did that acrage survey of all the major eastern ski areas and added X number of trails without cutting any trees. Okemo then followed suit along with others, and now we have lots more trails to enjoy.

newpylong Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 05, 2003 Posts: 1466 Location:Billerica, MA Enfield, NH	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 4:11 PM GMT I don't see how the Killington website is misleading... Certainly anyone knows that only OPEN trails are listed there? I thought it was pretty clear, maybe not... I personally liked the way it used to be, having all of them open and closed, but I still dont think its misleading now. The bit about Superstar upper/lower/middle/headwall would be really silly if they actually counted those as different trails. But I am almost 100% sure they just divide it up on the trail report because different sections of the trail were opened at different times and this gives the user a better perspective. In other words, Superstar is only 1 of the 200? trails listed for Killington.

dirk109 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 21, 2001 Posts: 1082 Location:Stratton, VT	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 4:46 PM GMT Bondman, Air travel hassel? I thought waiting in a 2 hour security line in Denver airport was ops normal?

tommyadrian5 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 13, 2003 Posts: 563 Location:Right Behind You...	Posted: Dec 14, 2004 - 5:12 PM GMT Edited: Dec 14, 2004 - 5:13 PM GMT newpylong, actually, they count every 'headwall' 'upper' 'middle' and 'lower' section as a trail in there 200 trail count. In reality they have about 80-90 individual runs down the mountain. Pretty lame imho. Oh yeah, PICO is included in the 200 trail count as well, even though you can't technically ski the other without driving. Dirk, if air hassle was such a trouble, would I be flying 16 hours back from DUBAI to go skiing out west this christmas. Last 4 times i went to utah, i showed up at the airport in dc :45 minutes prior to flight, checked in at the curb, got on the flight, got off in SLC (direct flight), got my bags, hopped on a $20 shuttle to PC, and was in my timeshare no later than 1:00 after touch down, same on the way out.

tin woodsman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 12, 2004 Posts: 259 Location:	Posted: Dec 15, 2004 - 3:24 AM GMT While K-Mart's tactics may be fooling no one on this board, you can rest assured that this board does not represent the average level of knowledge on the situation vs the typcial K-Mart skier from NY/NJ or Boston. Think about a guy who's brining his family up for a weekend and isn't too familiar with K-Mart. How the hell is he supposed to know that half the runs aren't listed on their trail report? Is he supposed to spend an hour cross-referencing the trail map to the trail report to verify? It is absolutely misleading and, IMHO, a VERY shady business practice. Typical K-Mart bullsh1t, and yet another reason why I'll never ski there again. And, yes, K-Mart does count every upper/middle/lower/headwall as an individual trail in the 200 count. I asked a manager at K why this was and he gave some lame reasoning about how it helps the ski patrol find people when they're hurt. Um, I think if the news is relayed that someone is hurt on Lower Stupidstar, the patrol would be able to find them w/o any need to include a separate run on the map.

newpylong Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 05, 2003 Posts: 1466 Location:Billerica, MA Enfield, NH	Posted: Dec 15, 2004 - 2:03 PM GMT Edited: Dec 15, 2004 - 2:04 PM GMT Pretty sad that you won't ski at one of the best ski areas in the East due to idiotic trail reporting. But to each his own I guess.... you're missing out. Thanks for the info, didn't know they actually counted those trails as seperates. Reminds of my avatar, at Brodie they had the trail name and then "trail name Glade". For Example, Shamrock, then Shamrock Glade. There practically was one of these for each trail. There were no glades, they were just another section of the trail.

bondman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 19, 2003 Posts: 739 Location:bondville vt.	Posted: Dec 15, 2004 - 2:10 PM GMT TA5- Everyone's level of tolerance for hassels is different. Your experience in and out of SLC has been very fortunate. I do not think it is the norm. As I have gotten older I have become less tolerant. There is not enough money in the world that could put a smile on my face to travel to DUBAI during the holiday season. __________ God Bless Hannes Schneider

tommyadrian5 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 13, 2003 Posts: 563 Location:Right Behind You...	Posted: Dec 15, 2004 - 3:10 PM GMT Dubai is pretty awesome, you should check it out sometime. As for Salt Lake travel being easy, it actually is the norm, i'd like for others who regularly ski utah resorts to chime in. Its a well run airport, there are multi-lane highways to each of the resorts save alta/snowbird, and frankly has alot less hassles then colorado, or even wyoming.

NewSkier Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 23, 2003 Posts: 314 Location:	Posted: Dec 15, 2004 - 3:54 PM GMT Quote: Dubai is pretty awesome, you should check it out sometime. As for Salt Lake travel being easy, it actually is the norm, i'd like for others who regularly ski utah resorts to chime in. Its a well run airport, there are multi-lane highways to each of the resorts save alta/snowbird, and frankly has alot less hassles then colorado, or even wyoming. Haven't skied in the West but we're planning a Utah trip this March. We were looking for something relatively inexpensive and convenient; UT just seemed to fit the bill better than the CO resorts. The airfares we looked at were cheaper to Salt Lake than to Denver, and you don't have to do a 2+ hour transfer get to your destination. Plus we did some online shopping for accomodations and found 1-bedroom condo at the Canyons for far less than anything we found at the CO resorts. The condo is within about 15 minutes of Deer Valley, PCMR, and The Canyons and it's on the bus line that goes between the ski areas and downtown PC. If you really want to economize you can just stay down in Sandy.

tin woodsman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 12, 2004 Posts: 259 Location:	Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 1:02 AM GMT newpylong - Nowhere in my post did I say that thaeir map shenanigans were the ONLY reason I wouldn't be skiing there, just "yet another". So please stop putting words into my mouth. Considering that by simply travelling an extra hour or so north, I can ski mountains that receive between 10-30% more snow, have larger effective vertical drops, and have only 1/3 as many skiers, it's not really a tough choice to avoid K-Mart.

Davev Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 20, 2001 Posts: 1495 Location:	Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 1:18 AM GMT If you don't like it, DON'T GO THERE and stop WHINING ABOUT IT. It is what it is. Apparently many DO like it. Still the best ski area in Vermont south of Sugarbush.

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