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tin woodsman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 12, 2004 Posts: 259 Location:	Posted: Feb 09, 2005 - 9:29 PM GMT You are right about the graphic - only takes the RH lift to the bench where what was the upper part of Twist takes a right turn. There is probably a 100' hike up to the true summit from there to access Header, Timberline, and Vagabond. Stoopid, if you ask me. Regardless, the AT/LT isn't why the RH lift terminal was moved downhill - that I know for certain.

bkzfinestplaya00 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 99 Location:Brooklyn, NY	Posted: Feb 09, 2005 - 10:01 PM GMT Killington is my favorite resort and I would love to ski the many expert trails closed since the 96 season. The bottom of sumrise and the top of Rams Head. Are you allowed to hike to the top of Rams Head? And are you allowed to ski the bottom of Sunrise and Get a ride back. __________ I wish it was winter

WoodCore Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 13, 2002 Posts: 3134 Location:CT	Posted: Feb 09, 2005 - 11:54 PM GMT Here's the view of the proposed interconnect from the Pico side. Interconnect - Pico Mtn view __________ "Freedom often leads, but responsibility always follows close behind."

tin woodsman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 12, 2004 Posts: 259 Location:	Posted: Feb 10, 2005 - 12:08 AM GMT Yes you are allowed to hike to the top of Rams Head. You are also allowed to ski to the bottom of Sunrise Mt, though it's probably overgrown by now. Anyway, this isn't the year to try it - not enough snow cover in a low elevation/southeast facing area like that. And you'll be stuck there - no rides back.

newpylong Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 05, 2003 Posts: 1466 Location:Billerica, MA Enfield, NH	Posted: Feb 10, 2005 - 2:38 AM GMT bkzfinestplaya00, there was really no expert terrain closed by the cutting back of Sunrise and Ramshead. At Ramshead there were a few pitches but, the only one that could conceivably be called expert would be right under where the double used to go (Header Headwall); it was a diamond. At Sunrise there were a few good runs, The Judge, Thunderball, Gold Dust, which came directly off of the mistation of the Northeast Passage triple. I miss those runs. But that mountain rarely had snow due to lack of snowmaking and low altitude. The trails were actually slated to be re-seeded but then they decided to do snowmobile tours on Sunrise, and that plan was scraped. The trails are cut and maintained. They run these tours out of the old Sunrise base lodge. Catamount > How much have you actually skied at K? A lot of people say the same thing after only a few times, but you gotta give it a chance. There truly are some great runs there. Despite what people say the crowds are avoidable as well.

bkzfinestplaya00 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 99 Location:Brooklyn, NY	Posted: Feb 10, 2005 - 8:30 PM GMT thnx i wasnt sure if i was allowed to ski them, didnt want my lift ticket pinched for it. Also when you get off the gondoa at the top of Killington it looks like you can ski into the woods. Im talking bout right when your about to turn and go onto Great Eastern. There doesnt seem to be any ropes. there are tracks leading into the woods. But there are no ropes?? __________ I wish it was winter

bkzfinestplaya00 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 99 Location:Brooklyn, NY	Posted: Feb 10, 2005 - 8:34 PM GMT Also how is killington in debt they are the most busiest area in the east i guess theres more over head then i thought __________ I wish it was winter

j law Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 09, 2004 Posts: 80 Location:New York, NY	Posted: Feb 10, 2005 - 9:13 PM GMT I hiked to the top of Rams head on Saturday, and even though the snow was a bit heavy, it's still pretty nice up there. I like that it's not lift served because most people are too lazy to take the short hike. It's definitely worth it after a storm has been skied off - In fact, I bet it will be perfect this weekend!

bkzfinestplaya00 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 99 Location:Brooklyn, NY	Posted: Feb 10, 2005 - 10:14 PM GMT yeh i wana get up to kiington presidents week but dont want to spend that much. i was thinking of staying off mountain at like a ramada or sumthing __________ I wish it was winter

mapnut Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 31, 2002 Posts: 5060 Location:New York City	Posted: Feb 11, 2005 - 1:17 PM GMT Quote: Also how is killington in debt they are the most busiest area in the east i guess theres more over head then i thought Killington's owner, ASC, went on an expansion binge in the 80's and 90's, buying Attitash, Mt. Snow, Sugarbush, Sugarloaf, the Canyons and I think more, plus putting in a lot of new high-speed quads and snowmaking. They borrowed many millions of dollars to do all this and the ski areas have not generated enough revenue to keep up with the payments. There has been a lot of discussion of ASC's problems on this forum; try a search for "ASC" (it will take patience to sort through the many threads).

bkzfinestplaya00 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 99 Location:Brooklyn, NY	Posted: Feb 12, 2005 - 9:56 PM GMT damm that sucks killington would be soo much better if they completed those three expansion areas __________ I wish it was winter

newpylong Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 05, 2003 Posts: 1466 Location:Billerica, MA Enfield, NH	Posted: Feb 12, 2005 - 11:43 PM GMT Bigger is not always better. A lot of people don't want Pico annexed to Killington. A lot of people on the other hand wouldn't mind, and I am one of them. I think Pico has some great terrain, but it only deserves a visit with a good natural dump. On the other hand, inbetween the two mountain claims to have some excellent terrain if developed. Everyone has their reasons why they do or do not want the project to happen. I don't think its feasible or smart to start the interconnect before the ASC has a few good snow seasons under their belt first though...

bkzfinestplaya00 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 99 Location:Brooklyn, NY	Posted: Feb 13, 2005 - 5:37 AM GMT when you get off the gondoa at the top of Killington it looks like you can ski into the woods. Im talking bout right when your about to turn and go onto Great Eastern. There doesnt seem to be any ropes. there are tracks leading into the woods. But there are no ropes?? __________ I wish it was winter

bumped my head Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Feb 06, 2006 Posts: 1 Location:	Posted: Feb 06, 2006 - 11:00 PM GMT Can anyone tell me if the interconnection trails have been cut? Are they there? If I hike to the top of Rams Head, can I ski down to the base of Pico? Can I then ski from the top of Pico back to Rams Head base? Thanks...

maplevalleymaster Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 06, 2005 Posts: 1129 Location:Ludlow, VT	Posted: Feb 06, 2006 - 11:23 PM GMT I heard the reason they ended the Ramshead lift before the expert part was to make it a more family oriented place... I don't know why they could not have just made a midstation...

newpylong Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 05, 2003 Posts: 1466 Location:Billerica, MA Enfield, NH	Posted: Feb 06, 2006 - 11:47 PM GMT Edited: Feb 06, 2006 - 11:48 PM GMT This has been discussed in depth many times. I as well think it was stupid and very ASC-Management like to put in a new lift and have it not even go to the top. Furthermore, instead of replacing the Needle's Eye double with a HSQ, they cut another liftline and put in a shorter lift - dumb. Again, more inaccessable terrain. Now at Ramshead you get off the lift and only have memories of what the top was like, unless you feel like hiking. The good skiing up there could have been preserved by widening the easier trails, notable Swirl, Timberline, and Horn, and they would join the relatively tamer bottom of the bottom where the current lift ends. They sunk enough money widening and adding snowmaking to the bottom of the mountain, why half-ass it? Abandoning Sunrise, while there were viable reasons for doing so, why take out the entire mountain? Just use it on the weekends when weather conditions allow. Never seen a company LOSE skiing real estate so much as they have at the Big-K.

rocket21 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2001 Posts: 8401 Location:USA	Posted: Feb 07, 2006 - 12:15 AM GMT Quote: I heard the reason they ended the Ramshead lift before the expert part was to make it a more family oriented place... I don't know why they could not have just made a midstation... Mid stations on HSQs are extremely expensive, especially for only a tiny bit of vertical that likely wouldn't be used on its own. __________ NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

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