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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 4:07 PM GMT

To be totally repetative, "Much like a baseball ump., the call made here or on a web forum may be disputed, but it's the umpire's call and it's usually final."

I suppose my outlook depends on whether the call is for, or against the team I'm behind, but in this case the player was called on his behavior and the language inferred WAS one of George Carlin's infamous seven F.C.C. words, so the point is...??

Nothing arbitrary there, and you just used what you claim as offensive.

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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 4:26 PM GMT

My point is that your B&B and this forum are both in the United States of America. You can have your own rules, but they better not discriminate or even give the impression of discriminating or you could find yourself in deep trouble.

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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 4:41 PM GMT

From the point of view of a forum reader, I was glad to see the thread locked. I don't mind occasional borderline language. And I am sure we are all glad to read anyone's opinion. We are not so glad to read the same opinion 10 times.
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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 4:42 PM GMT

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My point is that your B&B and this forum are both in the United States of America. You can have your own rules, but they better not discriminate or even give the impression of discriminating or you could find yourself in deep trouble.



Actually, being that it is a private entity, he can do whatever he wants.

Private country clubs don't have to adhere to affirmative action, gender equity rules etc. Take Augusta for example.

Same rules apply here, if the "owner" doesn't like what is going on, he can control it.
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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 5:21 PM GMT

First, I want to note that my last comment was a candid analogy, and secondly, that not I'm trying to go one for one here just to make some moot point.

Actually, and in the spirit of this thread's intent to maintain civility and a healthy rapport within this forum, a good point was raised by Bondman, and followed by TommyA . We are all guests here and this is a private website that is open to public participation. It is not, however, a public forum, nor is sponsored by an public interest or funding.

To make the point, our little Inn here, IS a private home open to guests by pre-arrainged reservation. As such, we are one of the FEW exceptions to the American Disabilities Act (A.D.A.), with the reason being that the government can't cross a private home's threshold calling for elevators, 5 foot bathroom stalls, etc., etc.

While we openly welcome people from all walks of life and corners of the globe, and host all with open arms, we still maintain the distinct right of refusal should anyone create any unwelcomed circumstance. (And to be honest, tossing an rude, arrogant, big city lawyer might be the only case in mind where I might get a little perverse joy out of such liberty!)

Chris, as board host, owns the server I'm keying this into, the software, and rights to the site and it's name. And we are in his private, virtual, home that he's opened his doors to.

So can we all be cool enough to get by here, just as you'd all want me to be while rooting for the other team in your living room while watching your TV and drinking all your beer?

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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 7:31 PM GMT

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But the rules seem arbitrary

No they don't ! You might not agree with the reasons,but they are just that reasons,as in why it was locked/deleted.
"Off Subject" covers the main reason.Which is why Chris allowed SJ 'The Pit',and why you can go start a Blog if you like.
Quite a few of us have had our wrists slapped over posts,BTW,and we got over it, TURX.

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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 8:05 PM GMT

The title of this thread is Forum Civility. Which part of the word "civility" don't you understand? We all agree that we can disagree, but we owe each other respect and courtesy. Namecalling does not fit into that category. We can all (I hope) appreciate playful ribbing, but perhaps some who thought they were being playful were perceived by others as being aggressive. Namecalling has that effect.
If we all agreed on every issue, there would be no reason to visit this board...we could just sit in a closet and talk to ourselves. Most in here are interested in the opinions, thoughts, and experiences of the others...we just don't want to be attacked. Same rules as kindergarten...nothing new.
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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 8:15 PM GMT

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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 11:40 PM GMT

What makes this forum so special is that it does have a moderator that cares and does monitor postings. If you don't like it, there are lot of other less monitored ski related bulletin boards. But I hope you like SPAM and Bots and all the other garbage that unmonitored boards feature, because that's what you're going to get.
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Posted: May 29, 2004 - 3:39 AM GMT

C'mon! A little civility is a good thing. We're a little overdue to dial it down a notch or two (myself included.)

I've had a little too much mis-guided "fun" cranking up a few individuals over the last few months. I generally stay just "inside the envelope". But not always. Let's just say that I've been "edited". Chris has had occation to let me know that my poingient and sacastic sense of humor (all long with my deep love of coporate skiing ) was a little over the line. No one's being singled out.

Let's try not to trash a good thing

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Posted: May 29, 2004 - 11:01 PM GMT

I agree that people should have the freedom to say what they want on this board. I also agree that Chris should have the freedom to do what he wants with his property. You can't have your cake and eat it too, thus the cake goes to Chris - you can practice free speech in so many places, he has the right to control his property. Chocolate cake, with blue frosting, and maybe some ice cream on the side.

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Posted: May 29, 2004 - 11:51 PM GMT

I think Chris is taking this WAY TO FAR. Chris and the rest of you guys/gals should check out www.sailinganarchy.com. I have frequented that board as much as snow journal. I have seen ONE post pulled for sailing anarchy. And that was out of respect. That board has most of the world’s biggest sailors post on it. Look at the sponsors. Quantum? One of the BIGGEST sail makers in the world. Boards are for fun. Take it easy and learn a lesson for the “Ed” of sailing anarchy.
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Posted: May 30, 2004 - 1:06 AM GMT

I disagree! Chris does own this site and if he feels that things are getting out of hand, then he has the right to step in. I'm fairly new to this site (just 6 months) but like Medic, I'm guilty of winding 1 or 2 people up in the past. It was done in the spirit of this board and not to attack the person it was directed to. We all have our own opinions and thats what make this board so great! Foul language, threats, or false claims have no place on this board and we need to make sure it stays that way.
So DON"T WORRY - BE HAPPY!!!

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Posted: May 30, 2004 - 5:16 PM GMT

I've been away for a while, but wanted to contribute to this thread.

As a moderator of this board and head of NELSAP, we do have the right to remove/freeze posts and discussions as needed. We need to do this to make sure things do not get out of hand. 99% of all posts are cool and without problems. However, if certain topics threaten people, slander beyond just criticism, attack people of certain groups simply to start an argument, etc, we have to stop it. The last thing I want is things to deteoriate that certain people are made to feel unwelcome, or the board reflects poorly on SJ or NELSAP, or any of us.

Unfortunately we can't always read every single post or monitor everything. When problems occur we take what action we feel is appropriate.

While I understand that some of you may feel that its a violation of free speech, it really isn't. Removing an offensive post or harassing post on a private website is not a violation of free speech. If you were paying money to use this board, or if this was a publicly owned website, there might be an argument there, but this site is private, and is being funded totally by Chris - what he and the rest of the moderators says goes.

Any problems let me know.

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Posted: Jun 02, 2004 - 1:44 PM GMT

Some of us may be applying the wrong part of the First Amendment to this forum. It seems to me that what applies here is not freedom of speech but freedom of the press. That means that he or she who owns the press is free to print whatever he or she wants to print. It also means that he or she doesn't have to print anything he or she doesn't want to print. Those who wish to do so may start their own press, or in this case website, and print whatever they want and not print whatever they don't want. And everybody who owns a press or website or the like has to be aware of (but not intimidated by) libel laws.
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Posted: Jun 02, 2004 - 9:47 PM GMT

I wonder where the line between slander and libel is drawn on the internet - would slander be in a live chat room and libel be in a bulletin board/forum system?

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Posted: Jun 03, 2004 - 1:05 AM GMT

I find it rather ironic that a simple request from the moderator about respecting others turns into a debate in its self. If nothing else this bickering has nothing to do with skiing and for that fact should be moved or removed.

It's no wonder I find myself visiting this forum less frequently now.

I wonder how long until this thread is locked.


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Posted: Jun 03, 2004 - 1:27 AM GMT
Edited: Jun 03, 2004 - 1:29 AM GMT

"Ignore the negatives and acentuate the positives"

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Posted: Jun 03, 2004 - 1:12 PM GMT

As I read all these post I asked myself... Have I ever been upset that a thread was locked? The answer has always been NO.
Your doing a great job Chris!

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Posted: Jun 03, 2004 - 7:23 PM GMT

I would think that would be because YOUR thread has never been locked.

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