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Posted: May 26, 2004 - 1:52 PM GMT
Edited: May 26, 2004 - 1:58 PM GMT

Greetings everyone --

First of all, welcome to all the new forum members that have recently joined.

As the veteran members are probably aware, every once-in-a-while I (or one of the other moderators) make a post such as this ... thanking everyone and kindly reminding us all about the forum rules, etc. It's been quite a while since we've had one of these posts -- we've had a good run!

Right now, in the present, more than ever, SnowJournal.com is in the spotlight. There are a lot of significant industry figures reading these forums every day -- the SnowJournal.com front page is syndicated out to Google News -- these are all good things! It's great that we've come this far, to garner this much attention, in only 3 short years.

The reason we've grabbed the attention of the ski industry in a big way, is because of the way that ideas and information are shared in these forums. Lets also not forget that the main forum is sponsored by NELSAP.org and everything we do here also reflects on NELSAP and founder Jeremy Davis.

That said, we must all be aware of our own actions in these forums. Negative posts, insults directed toward other users, advertising, political discussion, etc. all do nothing more than detract from the high quality discussion which is enjoyed here. This forum, since day #1, has been founded on mutual respect and the desire for constructive conversation relating to NELSAP, Ski History and the Ski Industry.

I ask that everyone here be aware of your own presence -- that your posts are important and should be written as though your real name and address were stamped on it. Please be respectful of others and respectful to yourself. Please be constructive with your posts as so to *add* to the general discussion, not detract from it. Nobody here is anonymous. Think before you post... "would I say this in a room of 1000 people"?

Thank you for taking a moment to read this, and thank you for participating in these forums. There's no doubt that this good thing will continue for years to come, and with your vigilance, it'll be a smooth ride. As always, your comments and feedback are welcome.

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Posted: May 26, 2004 - 2:17 PM GMT

aman chris! there's definitely been stuff posted lately with the only intent being to get other people's blood boiling. we're clearly all very passionate about the sport and the ways in which we like to enjoy it. no reason to rag on other people's favorite ways to enjoy the sport, nor to rag on them personally for choosing that method.

thanks for continuing the smash up job with snowjournal chris! very refreshing that even as snowjournal has grown, that advertising is still almost not existant on the site and no where to be found in the forums.

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Posted: May 26, 2004 - 7:44 PM GMT

You're right, Chris. Civility doesn't have to be sacrificed just to state a strongly-held opinion. Although I must admit, some of what I would call the "How dare you like a ski area I don't like" arguments were kind of funny. Some of them did get border-line nasty though, so it's better to remind us to maintain a little decorum. One little nit-pick, though. Even though we can't sign in as anonymous, we are. My name, for example, isn"t really Bill 29. And it would take more effort than it's worth for someone to find out what it really is. But, just in case, I promise to be nice.
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Posted: May 26, 2004 - 7:57 PM GMT

i jus joined about a month ago and would like to thank u for having such a great site

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Posted: May 26, 2004 - 10:56 PM GMT

As a "thread layer" since the 3rd post on the 1st NELSAP forum (the beginning), I can speak as a clear example of how negative posts can change a wave of bonded individuals not clearly understood of truth.

Never posting a negative thread myself, I understood from day one that information shared increases the knowledge of the whole. Others caught up in the emotions of the moment will find tail ended thoughts can start some really hot fires.

Hold on to the truth, exchange with passion and speak with an un-forked tongue.

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Posted: May 27, 2004 - 3:24 AM GMT

Firstly, I will say that the views I express in this forum are not necessarily those of mine at work or for that matter my workplace.

I think there's another way of thinking about this: if you're hesitant to go to a NELSAP gathering or meet anyone on this board in person, you may need to rethink your posting practices in place.

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Posted: May 27, 2004 - 12:35 PM GMT

NELSAP gathering? Interesting idea. Think it'll ever happen?
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Posted: May 27, 2004 - 3:28 PM GMT

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NELSAP gathering? Interesting idea. Think it'll ever happen?


Yes ... there's usually a gathering or two during the summer months... so, it's been known to happen

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Posted: May 27, 2004 - 4:19 PM GMT

I would LOVE to meet some of you guys. The men/women behind some of these ridiculous posts. To meet you face to face and to see if you could keep a straight face while trying to convince me that Magic is better then Stratton.
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Posted: May 27, 2004 - 4:48 PM GMT

Dirk ... go back to the top of this post and read what I wrote, again.

We've had enough of the Magic -vs- Stratton debate.

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Posted: May 27, 2004 - 6:27 PM GMT

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I think there's another way of thinking about this: if you're hesitant to go to a NELSAP gathering or meet anyone on this board in person, you may need to rethink your posting practices in place.


Rocket, I'm trying to figure out what you're really saying, and does this apply to me. Can you expand on this idea?
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Posted: May 27, 2004 - 7:11 PM GMT

Chris, the fog of old age is clearing a little and I seem to remember that, a couple of years ago, some people were going to get together at Buchika"s Ski Store. I guess some people actually made it. I'm sure that if another such gathering is planned it'll be posted here. I think it would be great to meet others face to face. I'll bet that people who share a love for skiing will get along pretty well. I'll also bet that some of the discussions will be pretty lively.
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Posted: May 27, 2004 - 7:26 PM GMT

I went on the NELSAP ski day at Blandford in 2003. I met Jeremy D (NELSAP) and LaurieP. It was a lot of fun.

I wanted to go on the hike back in the spring of 2002, but they bumped the install of my new pool up and an old above ground pool had to come down on that Saturday.


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Posted: May 27, 2004 - 9:44 PM GMT

Bill29, that butchica's day was inspired by LASTRUNN who works at the store. NELSAP had a display that Chris and Betsy were maning and there was a discount for any ski tune ups when you brought in the NELSAP page printed. i believe WoodCore, MadRider, and myself were all there as well on one of the days. it's always great meeting the wonder folks that participate in the SJ/NELSAP forums. looking forward to possible NELSAP meet ups this summer.

not to speak for Rocket, but i think his point was that you should pretend you're speaking to someone's face when making a post. it's easy to talk trash on the internet and hide behind a monitor amongst folks you don't know personally, but a posts' tone and content should be no different than if you were facing someone in person.

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Posted: May 27, 2004 - 11:00 PM GMT

If that be the case, I have done nothing wrong. I have never singled one of you gus out, But yet some of you have singled me out. And why? Because I didn't agree with you.
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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 2:25 AM GMT

Dirk might illustrate my point - if anyone would be hesitant to talk to him in person if they knew they would be in the same room (or lodge table), one might reconsider how they conduct arguements.

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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 2:28 AM GMT

Thanks for the clarification. I agree with that code of conduct.
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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 11:44 AM GMT

What concerns me is how threads are arbitrarilly cut off. That should never happen in the U.S.A. without a full, public, explanation why. Like the F.C.C., are there 7 dirty words that can't be used on this board? Why is @SS**** bad but Sucks not? They are both foul in my book.

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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 12:44 PM GMT

Well, after following this thread I think it fair to speak to the latter post in that a privately owned/held web forum is like a home, or in my case, a guest home (own a B&B). And rather then using this site, I'll make myself the analogy.

A few weeks back we hosted a "family" here on a visiting weekend to a specialized school for gifted kids with either emotional or substance issues. Dad, a big guns city attorney, had a room for himself w/fiancee and a second room for his EX...., right! ( didn't know the situation until they arrived.) The second morning here found the guy screaming "divorce court" using far worse language at the breakfast table.

Whether the B&B is in America or Antartica is no longer of issue. This is home, and that behavior doesn't fly since I, as the "host", have a responsibility to ensure that this is a safe, cordial place for people to be.

Whether that "gentleman" stayed or left is up to my soley arbitrary disgression. Much like a baseball ump., the call made here or on a web forum may be disputed, but it's the umpire's call and it's usually final. In this forum's particular case, I think the argument (topic) at hand has been thrashed out on every base possible (i.e. in three of four past threads) long after the ball had hit ground. ...Time to call an out and let the play resume.

Like the warning to my lawyer "friend", I think a similarly good call was made here before anything started to get out of hand. This site does get attention from the ski industry, and like my business, a good image and sense of being a safe place to visit, is equally important to it's future.

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Posted: May 28, 2004 - 2:41 PM GMT

But the rules seem abitrarry, depending on your position in an argument. Your "attorney friend" was treated no differently than anyone who displayed such behavior, one must presume.

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