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jsvits Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Feb 27, 2004 Posts: 216 Location:Ct	Posted: Apr 13, 2004 - 4:20 PM GMT Hey magicskier... What do you have against Dostals? It is the only place to get a good drink and listen to jukebox in londonderry. You can always go to Jakes and hang out with the local scene. What is wrong with boxing? Maybe that will draw some off season money into the area.

magicskier Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 01, 2004 Posts: 63 Location:	Posted: Apr 13, 2004 - 4:34 PM GMT I am getting the impression that I am not beloved around here. Sorry everyone that I have an opinion that most dont agree with. Lets just say this, until recently no matter how aggregious magics mismanagement, complete lack of business sense and callous disregard for the safety of their patrons was I supprted them and hoped for nothing more than to see this place where I grew up thrive. It was not to be and unfortunately for everyone from the town of londonderry to the homeowners to the skiers the place is done for good. As far as Dostals I've known Trudy Dostal since I was 5 years old and loved the place. I cannot Imagine she is too happy to have boxing matches going on there and I would venture to guess that if she knew they were going to run the place as they are she would not have sold to them. BOXING ?!@#$%^&*

Bill29 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 19, 2002 Posts: 2414 Location:	Posted: Apr 13, 2004 - 6:09 PM GMT Magic, don't get sensitive on us. Not beloved? There are eight pages on this topic and you're the engine driving it. You have something to say and you say it forcefully. People are reading it and reacting to it. Writers would kill for that kind of attention and when you're on this site you're a writer. This would be a very dull website if everyone agreed on everything.

Jimme Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 25, 2002 Posts: 1208 Location:6 miles West of Jiminy Peak, MA	Posted: Apr 13, 2004 - 7:07 PM GMT Edited: Apr 13, 2004 - 7:10 PM GMT I remember when the addition of a fixed grip triple was a big deal at West Mountain. T-bar's ruled at smaller areas and only the "big guys" could afford chairs for the most part. As an old artf, I think of the HS lifts as being "new-fangled" ski area technology. Having grown up on fixed lifts, they seem "normal", and the HS's seem "really fast". They do have their place, but I think not at Magic. I like the idea of it being "classic"; a skiers mountain. . .let the vacationers go to Stratton. Times change. There may be a day when an area can no longer buy a fixed lift. While I like the speed and easy loading and unloading of high speed lifts, if they do not move more skiers per hour than a fixed lift does why are they becoming so prevelant at the larger ski areas? Why do these areas then widen the trails to the size of a boulevard if not to accomodate skier traffic? Whenever I hear someone say they won't visit a ski area because of slow lifts, and lack of amenities I think "Whew! Thank God I'll have an uncrowded area to ski on the weekends. There'll be more room for me." Funny how the simplest thing can stop a lift. Jiminy had at least a 1.5 hr stoppage on their new HS Six pack on a Saturday. A few days later on a ride up with one of their lift ops he told me they found out a sensor wire broke causing the stoppage. Fortunately I was not on the lift when it stopped as it's my "big fear", that I lose a few hours skiing while stranded on a broken lift. Are we all experiencing the "end of season blues"? Snowball fights have turned into slush throwing, and hopefully will not turn into dirtballs? Magicskier- Take this with a grain of salt- Your apology was well taken, and when one thinks about it, Magic could certainly use a good Janitor about now. It's that lack of that has put the place in it's current state. Also, as I think you've been royaly screwed out of those passes- when they sold them did they state they were "transferable", if they did you rightfully have a beef and they should honor it. Again, with all this talk of Magic, I'm psyched to hit her trails next Winter! Ski safe. . .Golf with no guilt, Jimme __________ The Artful Dodger

skijay Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 29, 2001 Posts: 860 Location:Hartford, CT	Posted: Apr 13, 2004 - 7:18 PM GMT magicskier said...."If you dont believe a lift can collapse all you have to do is remember the lift at Timber ridge 25 yeares ago." I just read through this topic and saw that, what happened? __________ Jiminy Peak - 11/18/2012 Jay Peak - 12/15/2012, 3/3/13, 4/27 Mount Snow - 12/17/2012, 1/5/2013, 1/26, 2/13, 3/10, 3/24, 3/30, 4/6, 4/13 Otis Ridge - 12/29/2012, 1/1/2013, 1/12, 1/27, 2/9, 2/16, 2/24, 3/16

riverc0il Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 05, 2002 Posts: 3185 Location:Ashland, NH	Posted: Apr 13, 2004 - 10:33 PM GMT magicskier, i don't think it's "what" you are saying but "how" you are saying it that is getting under people's skin. like i previously posted, i think almost every die hard magic skier on this forum has agreed there are issues. but you're on here mixing in legitiment and insightful and thoughtful commentary and opinion (which i respect!) with highly inflamatory personal feelings (i think the blue collar comment among others was a little off base, but whatever). __________ TheSnowWay.com

bondman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 19, 2003 Posts: 739 Location:bondville vt.	Posted: Apr 13, 2004 - 10:49 PM GMT Magicskier You are the most talented writer ever to grace this message board! Your honest appraisal of Magic was written in such an inflamatory manor that you got everybodys attension. Even Sled and OrangeG had to admit alot of what you were saying was true. I even remember when Chris closed a thread because someone was negative about how Magic handeled their lift evac last season! But your elloquence has kept this thread going resulting in the longest topic of all time. Lets hope someone from Magic is aware of this. __________ God Bless Hannes Schneider

snowbasin Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 04, 2003 Posts: 190 Location:Massachusetts Berkshires	Posted: Apr 13, 2004 - 11:35 PM GMT Well... You can't say that the topic of Magic doesn't evoke a little emotion. Class, like race and religion, makes for rough trails, let's say and leave it at that. Gene pool references, on the other hand, have been cause for 100's of years of wars..., many more lost friend/kinships. Anyway, added comments to the Magic thread at hand appreciated. I was trying to be devil's advocate on the existing lift topic in hopes that other's would chime in on that. I guess the reality is that the triple passed an '03 inspection. (So did my truck..., with new balljoints.) Fair to say that all major facility operations areas would compete in a real needs analysis and upgrade budget. I surely can't disagree with snowmaking being a heavy consideration there after this (and too many past) season(s). But again, any word on who current ownership is (see end of my last post)? Thanks Doc L __________ N.E.V.Ski Association - The original virtual ski club

Allen Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 21, 2003 Posts: 105 Location:	Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 12:14 AM GMT " It was not to be and unfortunately for everyone from the town of londonderry to the homeowners to the skiers the place is done for good" I think it best that your chapter is over, the book however is far from done.

Davev Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 20, 2001 Posts: 1495 Location:	Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 1:29 AM GMT Maybe we should do a group outing there. An "Intervention" of sorts..

jsvits Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Feb 27, 2004 Posts: 216 Location:Ct	Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 1:45 AM GMT i like the idea of a group meeting... We have one every weekend during the season. http://www.magicmtn.com/images/DSCF1334.jpg

orangegondola Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 07, 2002 Posts: 1366 Location:somewhere on shazam	Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 3:21 AM GMT I guess we drank together and never even knew it. __________ www.savemagicvermont.com, www.chairlift.org

magicskier Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 01, 2004 Posts: 63 Location:	Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 1:51 PM GMT Hi, Its me I really want to apologize once again for the blue collar comments.It was the wrong choice of words. I truly respect and hang out with alot of hard working guys that do the work that I would never want to do myself.I just had two of my oldest friends who are carpenters up at the house (unfortunately magic was closed with two feet of snow on the ground so we had to go to killington) That being said I do on occasion get a little bit of an attitude from some of our regulars and locals at magic and dostals simply because me and my friends may be dressed a little more upmarket or at least perceived as such. I have lived in manhattan for many many years and have been moderately successful and I am not going to apologize for that. I do go skiing in part to associate with the best and brightest while taking part in the most graceful,elegant sport ever and historically the sport has attracted just those types. Sometimes and I repeat sometimes I feel like I am at a monster truck show when I am at magic I swear to god if anyone says "whats wrong with monster truck shows" I will crap my pants!

magicskier Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 01, 2004 Posts: 63 Location:	Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 2:00 PM GMT Quote: " It was not to be and unfortunately for everyone from the town of londonderry to the homeowners to the skiers the place is done for good" I think it best that your chapter is over, the book however is far from done. OK Allen my chapter is over and there is one more left. It will be a long harrowing tale full of misery,money woes,angry people, possible death,bankruptsy,real estate collapse and sadness and I want no part of that. So much for happy endings.

Exit Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 29, 2003 Posts: 20 Location:	Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 3:42 PM GMT Don't feed the troll any more.

magicskier Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 01, 2004 Posts: 63 Location:	Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 3:54 PM GMT Obviously we got a response from magic with "exits" comment. So what are you guys doing to make magic a safe viable place exit ?

skijay Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 29, 2001 Posts: 860 Location:Hartford, CT	Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 4:04 PM GMT What about that Timber Ridge lift accident you mentioned? Details? I could not find any information on it. __________ Jiminy Peak - 11/18/2012 Jay Peak - 12/15/2012, 3/3/13, 4/27 Mount Snow - 12/17/2012, 1/5/2013, 1/26, 2/13, 3/10, 3/24, 3/30, 4/6, 4/13 Otis Ridge - 12/29/2012, 1/1/2013, 1/12, 1/27, 2/9, 2/16, 2/24, 3/16

magicskier Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 01, 2004 Posts: 63 Location:	Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 4:10 PM GMT I guess it was about 1978 and during a morning run before the skiers arrived the lift fell to the ground. fortunately noone was on it but we were going to ski there that day. It was a relatively new lift that was maintained properly.More details I do not know but I will ask my dad what he remembers.So just imagine what could happen to a lift that has not been painted or maintained in any way shape or form for approximatly 15 years.

jsvits Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Feb 27, 2004 Posts: 216 Location:Ct	Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 4:32 PM GMT The timber lift is still running today up at smuggs!!

rocket21 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2001 Posts: 8404 Location:USA	Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 4:42 PM GMT It fell? __________ NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

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