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Crested Butte: Okemo West?

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rocket21 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2001 Posts: 8419 Location:USA	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 3:03 AM GMT I think I phrased that incorrectly, I meant they have two nice tree trails on the old expansion area, as well as some nice open slopes on the new Jackson Gore - the steepest open trails at Okemo (its not much but its something. I'll give you the industry perspective on this all - we're all watching closely, as its dangerous territory that American Ski Company took a big blow with. Having Sunapee and Okemo allows them to put their person attention into each of the areas (only 1 1/4 hours apart if you're driving the speed limit if there is a problem at the other area). However with Crested Butte, the problem may arise that either not enough attention is being put into it or that Okemo and Sunapee get neglected. The other half of the industry perspective, and this is just general, not everyone sees it that way, but in general, if anyone can pull it off, the Muellers certainly can. __________ NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

ccslider Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 03, 2003 Posts: 270 Location:SW Colorado	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 3:45 AM GMT Quote: Having Sunapee and Okemo allows them to put their person attention into each of the areas (only 1 1/4 hours apart if you're driving the speed limit if there is a problem at the other area). However with Crested Butte, the problem may arise that either not enough attention is being put into it or that Okemo and Sunapee get neglected. I'm sure that Tim & Dianne don't have to be firemen and race out to solve every problem. There are good people at the Butte - they'll get plenty of positive attention and then run with the new program. Hope it all works out well for them.

rocket21 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2001 Posts: 8419 Location:USA	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 4:01 AM GMT Its not necessarily them driving to Sunapee every single time something goes wrong, but rather that they're able to. Working for satellite companies, it really does make a difference in terms of morale and actual operations. __________ NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

coasterwiz321 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 28, 2003 Posts: 320 Location:	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 11:55 AM GMT Remember the muellers are the only owners of crested butte. There is a group they just are the majority owners. Trust me someone will always be at all the resorts. It does not just have to be the muellers.

bondman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 19, 2003 Posts: 739 Location:bondville vt.	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 1:55 PM GMT You talk about the Muellers like they have a long sucessful track record. They were sucessfull once. And it took them 25 years. A far different task from turning around CB.[The long term sucess of Sunapee is yet to be seen} __________ God Bless Hannes Schneider

mapnut Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 31, 2002 Posts: 5076 Location:New York City	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 3:44 PM GMT [quote]They were sucessfull once. And it took them 25 years. [quote] Geez, Bondman, what's with you? Being suCCessfull for 25 consecutive years is a lot different from being successful once. Their steady, incremental approach is what worked, as opposed to ASC's wild overexpansion.

ccslider Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 03, 2003 Posts: 270 Location:SW Colorado	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 3:53 PM GMT Aren't the Muellers (and there investment group) still in Court in regard to the Steamboat acquisition attempt? With all the talk about Vail trying to get Kmart, maybe ASC is still soft on dumping assets to payoff their debts. So maybe Triple Peaks still is interested in Steamboat more than trying to get "satisfaction" over being jilted at the altar.

tommyadrian5 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 13, 2003 Posts: 563 Location:Right Behind You...	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 4:31 PM GMT they won the steamboat lawsuit

ccslider Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 03, 2003 Posts: 270 Location:SW Colorado	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 5:47 PM GMT <http://www.snowjournal.com/page.php?cid=doc736> Yes, the received a favorable court ruling but: "Tim Mueller commented that he wasn't sure what would be the next step for Triple Peaks. He didn't know whether he would pursue damages - presumably the $5 million - or the resort itself, although Triple Peaks did recently announce their continuted interest in purchasing Steamboat." So it seems that the "jury" is still out as to what they will do with the Steamboat case. It'll be interesting if they still try to go after Steamboat with their current position with Crested Butte.

rocket21 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2001 Posts: 8419 Location:USA	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 5:54 PM GMT Jury's still out on the Muellers? What more can they really do? They've built one of the most profitable ski areas in Vermont, if not THE, and they've turned a dieing ski area NH into a big hit. With the exception of this year, and I haven't seen numbers including President's week, they've had tremendous gains in skier visits. 25 years of success with an area that started with just surface lifts is exactly that - success. __________ NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

bondman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 19, 2003 Posts: 739 Location:bondville vt.	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 5:56 PM GMT Mapnut.....I doubt that they were sucessful [i presume that means profitable] for 25 consecutive years. What we now have after 25 years is a sprawling condo development. Kind of like a winter theme park.[A.K.A. Disney} It attracts the people that try sking for a week instead of Carnival cruise lines or Disneyword. Impolite, bad skiers from the metropolitan area that don't even know what the skiers responsibily code is, let alone abide by it. Sking is more than a sport, it is a way of life. Okemo is for the casual skier, I guess. I have no use for Okemo or real estate developments on mountains. I don't think that the average person skiing CB [up till now] does either. What 9/11 did for real estate pricing in Vt. ,it took away from Co. I think that making CB work will be tough even for the great Muellers. __________ God Bless Hannes Schneider

rocket21 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2001 Posts: 8419 Location:USA	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 6:03 PM GMT I doubt many areas if any have made a profit each of the last 25 years. Unless you want to stay in a non-commercial model, you need real estate. I wouldn't call Okemo's skiers oblivious and bad - firstly, I doubt most people really know the code, secondly I doubt if anyone in this forum follows it to the word, and thirdly, I doubt all of Okemo's skiers are bad. In fact I know many great skiers who ski there - not for challenge obviously, but because it has the best conditions in the state consistantly. It is a well run ski area and a sign of success. __________ NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

skibachelor Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 02, 2002 Posts: 620 Location:	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 6:23 PM GMT Edited: Mar 09, 2004 - 7:02 PM GMT I'm just curious but now that the Muellers have bought CB, are they going to loose the LLC in their name, because they have purchased a resort outside their state? This means that their taxes will be more expensive, but they could be created a specific LLC company for CB.

bondman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 19, 2003 Posts: 739 Location:bondville vt.	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 6:27 PM GMT You can call them what you want .. I called them impolite and bad. I think most people on this board know that the skier in front has the right of way. i.e. the overtaking skier has to steer clear. Basically the same as on a crowded city sidewalk. __________ God Bless Hannes Schneider

rocket21 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2001 Posts: 8419 Location:USA	Posted: Mar 09, 2004 - 6:33 PM GMT Quote: You can call them what you want .. I called them impolite and bad. I think most people on this board know that the skier in front has the right of way. i.e. the overtaking skier has to steer clear. Basically the same as on a crowded city sidewalk. Have you ever broken any parts of the code? __________ NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

bondman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 19, 2003 Posts: 739 Location:bondville vt.	Posted: Mar 10, 2004 - 1:45 PM GMT never,i respect the rights of other skiiers. how bout you? __________ God Bless Hannes Schneider

rocket21 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2001 Posts: 8419 Location:USA	Posted: Mar 10, 2004 - 2:06 PM GMT That's amazing, I congratulate you. You've never skied a closed trail or an unmarked area or skied too fast for your ability, never in your life. __________ NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

bondman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 19, 2003 Posts: 739 Location:bondville vt.	Posted: Mar 10, 2004 - 3:47 PM GMT Nope, never on purpose. __________ God Bless Hannes Schneider

tommyadrian5 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 13, 2003 Posts: 563 Location:Right Behind You...	Posted: Mar 10, 2004 - 4:23 PM GMT Well bondman i'm sure the person who ran into you didn't do it on purpose either.

bondman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 19, 2003 Posts: 739 Location:bondville vt.	Posted: Mar 11, 2004 - 2:00 PM GMT He was on a trail that was over his ability. __________ God Bless Hannes Schneider

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