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Posted: May 19, 2003 - 8:47 AM GMT

Went on an excursion today. I hit the Holiday Mt New York open area. they had two classic poma doubles with floating bullwheels. There was one poma triple that looked like it replaced an old poma double (there was a pad at the top where a counter weight once stood). There were also two poma lifts and a rope tow. Next I explored the Concord hotel ski area. This abandoned mega hotel was a major jewish destination until it's demise in 1998. The golf course is still open and the ski area is in the middle of it. The small area had 5 surface lifts, some homebuilt and at least one borvig. best of all this area had a cable sled/funicular thing. There were train tracks up the hill and at the summit was one car on train wheels. It was like an open sled with rows of benches. the car was attached to a cable which went into a building that housed a winch. this lift seemed to service some sort of tobban track. i cannot wait to get my film developed to show this one! next we went to Big Vanilla/Davos. I could only find one double chair(stadeli?). the chairs were gone but the towers, terminals and cable were all there. There was also a borvig surface lift. Interestingly enough the plaque said bovig, NY than above enscribed in the return terminal was leitner. I had read somewhere that borvig represented leitner in the united states in the 60's and 70's, this confirms it. I wonder what parts Leitner made and what if any borvig manufactured themselves? I found the tower pads and return pad and house for the quad chair. i could not find the double chair on the other side of the mountain. Anyone know where these chairs were moved to? My last stop was campgaw in mahwah NJ, an open area. This hill had two hall double chairs, a non operating hall t-bar, two handle tows and a magic carpet. The lodge was cool and you can see NYC from the ummit, I will have to go here one night after work. i will post pics of my adventure whenI get them developed. -Dave[addsig]

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Posted: May 19, 2003 - 9:49 AM GMT

Where did the Big Vanilla - Davos quad go?[addsig]

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Posted: May 19, 2003 - 6:05 PM GMT

I don't know, hopefully someone here knows what happened to the other lifts.[addsig]

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Posted: May 31, 2003 - 7:09 PM GMT

Oh yeah, I know Holiday Mt well! The poma triple that hit's the summit replaced a pomalift, not a Poma double chair. The existing Poma doubles have been there for years running up the Tombstone trail and (I believe) Turkey Trot. You can see the floating bullwheel from the Upper Tombstone poma doublechair from Rt. 17 as you head south. I remember being utterly fascinated at the floating bullwheel as a little boy, wondering how it stayed up!

You should check out Grossinger's, which closed in the 80s or 90s. It was also in the Jewish Alps and visible from Rt. 17. It had a Doppelmeyr-style spring box Tbar, unusual for NYS as Hall tbars seem to be everywhere.

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Posted: Jun 03, 2003 - 12:11 PM GMT

Holiday Mt., owned by the Town of Thompson, was the first place I skied. After getting out of the army in '69 I went on a bus trip in Mar of '70. I remember getting to a bus at 5 AM seemed inhuman, but I figured I'd sleep all the way there. Clara, the Austrian or German, tour guide had other ideas. First it was we are going to hand out zee boots. Finally thats done. Wrong . Now we will try on zee boots. Then a breakfast stop at the Red Apple on rt. 17. Clara forgot to tell everyone it's OK to take off zee boots, clomp, clomp. Got a 3/4 hr. snowplow lesson with 12-14 others and was directed up the chair to Turkey Trot. After I picked myself up and put the skis back on I started down only to realize the snowplow thing doesn't work if it gets steep. All in all had a good time rolling in the snow. Also had my first poma experience there and got to do the , almost obligitory wait, in those days, at the hospital, while the plaster on someones leg dried. AND I CAME BACK FOR MORE. Who says skiers are sane? PS If you lost a ski high enough on the slope, in the days before brakes, it slides across the parking, lot over the snow bank and into the Neversink River.

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Posted: Jun 05, 2003 - 5:37 PM GMT

Is Big Vanilla @ Davos closed? If it is, when did it close? I didn't see it on the NY Lost Ski Areas list. I remember skiing there many years ago. If it is still open, I'll have to put that on my list of places to ski next winter. I have a ski pin in my collection from Big Vanilla.

If anyone is going to try to hike or ski any of the other lost NY ski areas, let me know, I might be interested in coming along.

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Posted: Jun 05, 2003 - 6:59 PM GMT

It has been closed for at least 5 years or so from the looks of things. Only one chair and the surface lift are left.[addsig]

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Posted: Dec 31, 2007 - 12:30 AM GMT

I am from the village Big Vanilla was in. It has been closed since around 1994.
Trivia!!!! In 1999, a member of my graduating class, a member of the Village of Woodridge volunteer firefighters, set fire to the forsaken Big Vanilla ski lodge. He did this to put out the fire to impress his girlfriend, with whom he was having problems. He was almost immediately identified as the arson, and subsequently arrested and charged!
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Posted: May 25, 2011 - 3:18 AM GMT

I'm so sorry to find out that Big Vanilla is closed, and that it closed so long ago. I've often wondered about that area, and would have loved to take my grand daughter there to teach her how to ski. I have many fond memories of teaching my kids to ski there. It was a nice, small family ski resort, not fancy, but lots of fun.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2012 - 4:28 AM GMT

Davo's Ski Area (Big Vanilla at Davos) shut down forever in February 1991. The reason is because of a 12 year old girl that decided to ski down the slope known as "Plum Crazy." The slope was not prepped properly and she went down. It is estimated that she hit a tree at the bottom at 85mph killing her instantly. She so happened to have been the daughter of a NYC detective. Davo's was sued and as a result Davo's lost. The $5million dollar ski chalet is now in a state of abandonment and shambles. All the condo's built sold for $19,000- $22,000 a piece, way down from their original prices that were between $189,000- $220,000. The Season's Restaurant at Davo's and the hotel were burnt down as a result of arson started by a Woodridge Fire Dept Captain whom set the fire with a lit cigarette and tons of gasoline- all to just impress his girlfriend. He is currently in prison for 45 years. The new owners of Davo's, the Chang Family, have promised many different things for the closed ski area but to no avail. The Chang Family even went as far as to shut down the summer activities by closing the pool area. Now, Davo's is never going to re-open, and besides the condos' at Davo's Pointe that offer quiet and beautiful living year round, Davo's is a waste land of broken dreams and lost possibilities.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2012 - 4:31 AM GMT

All the old lifts with the exception of the ones on the black diamond slopes located in the woods to the right of "Pink Cloud" were sold or removed for scrap.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2012 - 1:48 PM GMT

I'm glad to see this thread resurrected; interesting from beginning to end. Great story, Skileader!

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