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mt.tom
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Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 12:31 AM GMT

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There is a web cam showing the work being done at the Haystack Club! Haystack Club Web Cam
The Barnstormer Lift has been removed and will be relocated about 70 up the the hill from where it was! The Witches Complex has been brushed back to the original trail designs! The hole for the new base lodge foundation is being dug. They are looking also to install a new fixed grip quad from the Hermitage Inn to the Ski Area along with a new trail to connect the two!

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Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 3:12 AM GMT

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There is a web cam showing the work being done at the Haystack Club! Haystack Club Web Cam
The Barnstormer Lift has been removed and will be relocated about 70 up the the hill from where it was! The Witches Complex has been brushed back to the original trail designs! The hole for the new base lodge foundation is being dug. They are looking also to install a new fixed grip quad from the Hermitage Inn to the Ski Area along with a new trail to connect the two!

Watching the replay of old webcam images, it certainly looks like it takes a lot to move a terminal, even a short distance. Why not simply design the lodge slightly differently so that old terminal could be used?

Also, how far in did trees grow under ASC/dormancy on the trails in the Witches area?

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Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 12:30 PM GMT

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A lot of the work might have more to do with the fact that the lift hadn't run for quite a while. I know if I was going to move somthing like that I'd want to make sure it works properly before I did. I am surprised they moved it though, since it's supposed to be replaced soon. Sounds like they're counting on EB5 money for that though, so who knows if it will happen.

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Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 6:25 PM GMT

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A 2011 Haystack photo. Is Mt Tom one of those guys?

The master plan has the chair being moved over to allow the new summit lift to use the current line. If that ever happens. Oh no, the chairdola idea is out the window. OMG

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Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 6:40 PM GMT

Hayfever goes midway and Barnstormer goes to the summit right? If a chondola is out of the picture, what will the summit lift be?

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Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 7:10 PM GMT

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The website still says chairdola is in the future. Also a triple or something from lower area, with midway unloading, to base of upper area. A transfer lift of sorts. It looks like the lower Mueller is done. its not on the map.
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Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 8:04 PM GMT

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Also, how far in did trees grow under ASC/dormancy on the trails in the Witches area?

The trails grew in areas between 5 feet to 20 feet in areas!

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Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 8:15 PM GMT

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A 2011 Haystack photo. Is Mt Tom one of those guys?

The master plan has the chair being moved over to allow the new summit lift to use the current line. If that ever happens. Oh no, the chairdola idea is out the window. OMG

Nope I'm not in this photo! Yes Barnstormer is the summit lift.

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Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 9:23 PM GMT

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Somehow I missed this this past season:

http://dvalnews.com/view/full_story_obits/17709471/article-Haystack-opens-Witches

That's awesome.

So let me get this straight. This year they are moving Barnstormer 70 feet up the mountain, and eventually this will be moved to the lower mountain where the Mueller will go bye bye along with the T Bar? Then they will install the Chondola between where the Barnstormer used to be and Hayfever?

Will the relocated Barnstomer have a midstation so people can ski the lower mountain or continue on to the base, eliminating the need for seperate lifts? Or you think they are just going to use the surface lift listed on the new trail map? According to this map, looks like a midstation: http://www.haystackclub.com/files/Haystack%20master%20plan%20map%20revised.jpg

Then they are also looking at putting another lift in over from the Hermitage to the bottom of Outcast?

Did I get all of that right?

What's the scoop with Oh No double. Going to be removed I assume?

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Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 10:05 PM GMT

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I think Oh No is gone. Mt Tom, do you know?

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Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 11:53 PM GMT

Certainly Mt. Tom can confirm but I'm pretty certain carriers were taken off and the rope removed (with towers remaining) during ASC years.

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Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 11:55 PM GMT

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Quote obienick:

Also, how far in did trees grow under ASC/dormancy on the trails in the Witches area?

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The trails grew in areas between 5 feet to 20 feet in areas!

Wow, thats's pretty substantial! Was this due to substandard maintenance under ASC or was this infill while Haystack was dormant?

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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 3:00 AM GMT

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Also, how far in did trees grow under ASC/dormancy on the trails in the Witches area?

[quote=mt.tom]The trails grew in areas between 5 feet to 20 feet in areas!

Wow, thats's pretty substantial! Was this due to substandard maintenance under ASC or was this infill while Haystack was dormant?[/quote]

I remember the chairs being taken off but the rope still being there... i would think at some point they would want the towers down...

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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 7:11 PM GMT

[quote]Somehow I missed this this past season:

http://dvalnews.com/view/full_story_obits/17709471/article-Haystack-opens-Witches
According to this map, looks like a midstation: http://www.haystackclub.com/files/Haystack%20master%20plan%20map%20revised.jpg
Then they are also looking at putting another lift in over from the Hermitage to the bottom of Outcast?
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The article says the Hermitage will serve as the base lodge until the new one is built. Looking at goggle maps, The Hermitage is only 400-500' from Fannie Hill Rd. which goes up to the ski area. They can easily shuttle guests until a transfer lift is built. It's exciting to see Haystack come back to lift.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 9:19 PM GMT

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The article says the Hermitage will serve as the base lodge until the new one is built. Looking at goggle maps, The Hermitage is only 400-500' from Fannie Hill Rd. which goes up to the ski area. They can easily shuttle guests until a transfer lift is built. It's exciting to see Haystack come back to lift.

Oh-No is still standing at the moment just haul rope and towers. They have a Piston Bully 400 with a passenger cab on the back for the use of shuttling guest / members around.

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Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 2:55 AM GMT

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Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 6:22 AM GMT

16-inch pipe? That's like 8000 gpm

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Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 12:06 PM GMT

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16-inch pipe? That's like 8000 gpm

The transfer pipe that goes between Mirror Lake (the pond next to the entry building at Haystack) and Mount Snow when sections were being replaced last year was 18" pipe. And that water that was sent to Mount Snow was just used for the trails at Carinthia, the Bear Trap Run and the immediate base terminal area of the Sunbrook Quad. So 16" pipe for the entire snowmaking system at Haystack seems about right, especially since the folks at Haystack seem to really want to "do it right" - (and all of those shiny yellow Techno Alpin Fan Guns can "drink" lots of water when they're humming away!

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Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 12:53 PM GMT

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The 16 inch pipe is usually used from a pond to a pumphouse. On the mountain that size would be used for say one major up line. To have it all over would be overkill. I dont think Haystack is going with 500 fan guns just yet.

The photo below is Bousquet adding a big line. This is just the major up line. With alot of guns going aroud the mountain, this section of trail didnt get the pressure with its guns on at the same time, with the smaller pipe.

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Posted: Aug 26, 2012 - 1:23 AM GMT

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[quote]16-inch pipe? That's like 8000 gpm

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Mt. Snow use to draw from this pond. It appears that it will no longer be available. I've not seen any reference to the proposed snowmaking pond down the road (further from Mt. Snow) from Haystack. What are Mt. Snow's plans for water?

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