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nelsap Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 21, 2001 Posts: 3653 Location:Saratoga Springs, NY	Posted: Jul 14, 2012 - 1:55 PM GMT Hi everybody, Recently there was a thread on Obamacare that was locked by Betsy, which I support. We have spirited contributors on here from all political stripes, but what I don't want to have happen is what happens on other articles/boards when these topics come up, when it gets out of control - as so many of us here are passionately for or against it. Even if there are valid points brought up, people are so polarized on one side or the other that we'll all never agree, and nobody will change their minds on this or other similar topics. Everybody on here is far more civil than other boards/article posts and for that I am very glad! If there are any concerns please message me or post below. Thanks! Jeremy __________ Jeremy Davis

bobbutts Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 20, 2006 Posts: 611 Location:Central NH	Posted: Jul 14, 2012 - 5:04 PM GMT The root of the problem IMO is people on all sides Quote: are passionately for or against it They're passionate (read: unwilling to change opinions) about issues even though they don't possess even basic knowledge about the facts. Not pointing the finger at you or anyone here, I didn't read it and don't know or care much about what was said by who, just my observations about online political discourse in general.

joshua segal Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 12, 2004 Posts: 5964 Location:NH	Posted: Jul 14, 2012 - 6:20 PM GMT On June 30, I wrote a PM to Betsy saying, ""I'm not sure why you closed the thread on Health care. It was on topic with respect to the skiing industry, and while it drifted a bit, it was clean and civilized. Much worse has got by. " I received no reply. A few days later, I received a PM from another SJer asking me if I knew why Betsy had shut the Obamacare thread. I shared with him what I sent to Betsy. He replied he had sent a PM to Betsy too and had also received no reply. I thought some of the privatization of Cannon threads were far more political! That's not to say that the Obamacare thread might have turned ugly in a few more postings, but I vehemently disagreed with the moderating on that one. __________ Joshua Segal

obienick Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 21, 2005 Posts: 1198 Location:	Posted: Jul 14, 2012 - 8:09 PM GMT Edited: Jul 14, 2012 - 8:09 PM GMT I started the Obamacare thread since I was curious how it would affect the industry. I used the therm Obamacare, not because of how the Republicans have used it in bashing (a la "teabaggers" or "repugs" ) of an originally conservative proposition, but because Obama since adopted the term as his own. I certainly didn't mean for it to get overly political as I know political threads are banned on here.

riverc0il Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 05, 2002 Posts: 3187 Location:Ashland, NH	Posted: Jul 14, 2012 - 9:06 PM GMT There were a few highly volatile political replies within the first ten responses to that thread. I was about to take the bait but instead I posted a request for closing the thread. It only took a few replies before a few folks had made responses that had nothing to do with the topic but instead was 100% ideological attack. I don't know if the software allows removing comments rather than locking a thread when the topic is both political and relevant. That might be something to explore. But that thread was doomed from the start, IMO. __________ TheSnowWay.com

jb66 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jun 24, 2004 Posts: 1585 Location:	Posted: Jul 14, 2012 - 11:50 PM GMT Magic! Just kidding... I agreed: SJ is one sanctuary from politics (at least for me). Please let's keep it that way and stick to the important business of celebrating skiing and skiing history.

jaytrem Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 21, 2002 Posts: 1077 Location:	Posted: Jul 15, 2012 - 1:08 AM GMT I was a bit disappointed that the thread was taken down. Mainly because there was pretty much nothing else being discussed on snowjournal. It seemed to me everybody was being civil for the most part. I would have let it run based on the tiny bit it did have to do with skiing, then if things started to get ugly, kill it. PS Would anybody care to hear my views on religion.

joshua segal Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 12, 2004 Posts: 5964 Location:NH	Posted: Jul 15, 2012 - 1:14 AM GMT jaytrem asks: Quote: PS Would anybody care to hear my views on religion. If it is related to skiing - go for it! __________ Joshua Segal

jaytrem Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 21, 2002 Posts: 1077 Location:	Posted: Jul 15, 2012 - 1:19 AM GMT Quote: jaytrem asks: [quote]PS Would anybody care to hear my views on religion. If it is related to skiing - go for it![/quote] I think God wants me to ski more often.

joshua segal Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 12, 2004 Posts: 5964 Location:NH	Posted: Jul 15, 2012 - 1:40 AM GMT jaytrem asks: Quote: PS Would anybody care to hear my views on religion. I said: Quote: If it is related to skiing - go for it! Jaytrem said: Quote: I think God wants me to ski more often. See! That wasn't so controversial - and probably a universal truth among SJers __________ Joshua Segal

tedede Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 15, 2004 Posts: 813 Location:Amherst, NH	Posted: Jul 15, 2012 - 7:51 AM GMT Edited: Jul 15, 2012 - 7:52 AM GMT Some observations: This post really has nothing to do with skiing. Nelsap didn't post it in the forum designed for (and named) "Website Discussion". Nelsap is a moderator. The second post by bobbutts was an indirect ad-hominem attack characterizing people that post to political forums as full of passion but absent of fact. I think it's somewhat interesting that he stated he didn't even read the thread. I've now learned that the term "Obamacare" is now a derogatory term although I suspect if you asked the average person what the Affordable Care Act was they would not know. Rivercoil pointed out: "It only took a few replies before a few folks had made responses that had nothing to do with the topic but instead was 100% ideological attack.". Can I assume, based on the Cannon threads, that ideological attacks are fine on SJ as long as we are dealing with skiing topics? Aside from the Greek Peak thread, this post has garnered more replies in under 24 hours that the entire board gets in an average day this summer.

nelsap Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 21, 2001 Posts: 3653 Location:Saratoga Springs, NY	Posted: Jul 15, 2012 - 1:38 PM GMT Yeah, probably should be posted in the website discussion thread...though that forum doesn't see much traffic. I know I'm not perfect in moderating...there are times where I don't have the time to keep checking everything...and yes, a few topics like the Cannon one got out of control. Will strive to do better. Just about everybody on this board is civil, which is great. __________ Jeremy Davis

nepa_9939 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 01, 2011 Posts: 158 Location:Wenatchee WA (formerly Scranton PA)	Posted: Jul 15, 2012 - 1:55 PM GMT Edited: Jul 15, 2012 - 1:57 PM GMT Aren't we are almost past the half way point (i.e. the coming season is closer than the past season)? Although, it was 110 degrees in my town this past Monday... I'm thinking more about snow than politics. __________ End this Phony Drug War

loafasaur Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 14, 2002 Posts: 701 Location:East of the Kennebec	Posted: Jul 15, 2012 - 3:47 PM GMT Any logical position Followed to its logical conclusion Produces an absurd result. Life is the art of balancing on the point of contradiction, And finding balance. __________ loafasaur

joshua segal Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 12, 2004 Posts: 5964 Location:NH	Posted: Jul 15, 2012 - 4:34 PM GMT Quote: Aren't we are almost past the half way point (i.e. the coming season is closer than the past season)? Although, it was 110 degrees in my town this past Monday... I'm thinking more about snow than politics. Assuming that the ski season is nominally Nov. 15 to May 1, August 8 is the crossover date to be closer to next season than last. __________ Joshua Segal

brian1 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 381 Location:Skiing somewhere	Posted: Jul 15, 2012 - 4:54 PM GMT Quote: Magic! Just kidding... I agreed: SJ is one sanctuary from politics (at least for me). Please let's keep it that way and stick to the important business of celebrating skiing and skiing history. Speaking of Magic there is a new ropes course being installed as we speak and the Blackline BP is open on weekends.....just saying

skipatrol40s Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 29, 2002 Posts: 1480 Location:	Posted: Jun 20, 1996 - 1:42 PM GMT Edited: Jul 15, 2012 - 5:07 PM GMT Jeremy, I understand why you locked it. Maybe my comments were too passionate for this forum. Sorry about that. Affordable Health Care will definitely have a significant affect on the ski industry both good and bad. Maybe this would be good to discuss in 2013 after the election when we all cool down a bit and get some turns in .

bobbutts Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 20, 2006 Posts: 611 Location:Central NH	Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 3:00 AM GMT Quote: The second post by bobbutts was an indirect ad-hominem attack characterizing people that post to political forums as full of passion but absent of fact. I think it's somewhat interesting that he stated he didn't even read the thread. You make it sound like it's not true. If there's an online forum where informed people talk in a matter of fact way about politics I'm not aware of it. I don't know anyone that really understands the full affordable health act and is arguing about it based on their deep knowledge. If that was going on in the thread, then I apologize.

tedede Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 15, 2004 Posts: 813 Location:Amherst, NH	Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 9:53 AM GMT Quote: You make it sound like it's not true. If there's an online forum where informed people talk in a matter of fact way about politics I'm not aware of it. I don't know anyone that really understands the full affordable health act and is arguing about it based on their deep knowledge. If that was going on in the thread, then I apologize. Well, in your first post you said basic facts, not deep knowledge. In this forum I like to think we are smarter than the average bears. No need to apologize. You're entitled to your share your opinions, that's what makes this group fun.

MissDaEast Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 17, 2002 Posts: 2323 Location:So. Cal / Exit 1-I89,VT	Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 3:33 PM GMT Quote: Any logical position Followed to its logical conclusion Produces an absurd result. Life is the art of balancing on the point of contradiction, And finding balance. Ahhh, Grasshopper, your wisdom surpasses your years once again.

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