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abubob Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 27, 2008 Posts: 748 Location:Bristol, NH	Posted: Jun 13, 2012 - 8:33 PM GMT Edited: Jun 13, 2012 - 8:36 PM GMT Quote: Close to the end of 86, get off on the other side of Chautauqua Lake and take a drive up 394 to Chautauqua Institution-- founded in 1874 as a summer training center for Methodist ministers. It's now a center for culture, arts and music. There's a gate fee in the summer though Sunday's are free. The architecture is beautiful and the lake is great from the shores. Best to walk around rather than drive as cars are limited. Chautauqua Institution While we're stopping for the night in this area on our way out we probably won't be doing any sightseeing unfortunately. (So many great ideas here.) Any suggestions on where to stay or have a meal? (I'm going to edit the OP to reflect this query.)

brian1 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 380 Location:Skiing somewhere	Posted: Jun 13, 2012 - 9:43 PM GMT Edited: Jun 13, 2012 - 9:48 PM GMT Keuka Lake Winery one of the best Reislings in the region If you decide to go the 90 a couple of great places to stop for a meal just south of Buffalo is Duffs Famous wings in Orchard Park, NY easy on easy off the 90 if you wanted to eat and spend a night the Bar Bill in East Aurora NY and down the rd in the village is the Hampton Inn there also is the Roycroft Museum.

bmwskier Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 30, 2009 Posts: 490 Location:Northern Vermont	Posted: Jun 14, 2012 - 3:21 AM GMT Second the Bar Bill in East Aurora-- If you're in for the wine tour, Route 20 north from the PA border to Eden Angola is full of wineries-- some good, some bad but always interesting.

abubob Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 27, 2008 Posts: 748 Location:Bristol, NH	Posted: Jun 14, 2012 - 3:41 PM GMT Quote: Keuka Lake Winery one of the best Reislings in the region If you decide to go the 90 a couple of great places to stop for a meal just south of Buffalo is Duffs Famous wings in Orchard Park, NY easy on easy off the 90 if you wanted to eat and spend a night the Bar Bill in East Aurora NY and down the rd in the village is the Hampton Inn there also is the Roycroft Museum. Quote: Second the Bar Bill in East Aurora-- If you're in for the wine tour, Route 20 north from the PA border to Eden Angola is full of wineries-- some good, some bad but always interesting. Bar Bill sounds real good but its a bit out of the way for this trip - but there's always next year - I'll have to keep it in mind!

bubkeg Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 20, 2005 Posts: 10 Location:	Posted: Jun 15, 2012 - 9:26 AM GMT If you like ski towns try Ellicottville. It's on Route 219 about 20 minutes north of I-86. You would be 3.5 hours from Cleveland. The Wingate hotel is in the village so you could walk to shops and dinner. Retail shops all close at 5:00PM. http://www.ellicottvilleny.com/

mapnut Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 31, 2002 Posts: 5060 Location:New York City	Posted: Jun 15, 2012 - 12:41 PM GMT Hey Abubob, maybe you can solve this mystery for us. Not the Valbella ski area, which is adequately documented here, but the south facing slopes on the other side of the valley. They look for all the world like ski slopes, not logging roads or gas drilling. It's just 3 miles off the highway at Alleghany. I suppose you can't solve the mystery just by looking at the slopes, you'd have to find somebody to ask. NY Lost Wing Hollow is nearby.

abubob Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 27, 2008 Posts: 748 Location:Bristol, NH	Posted: Jun 15, 2012 - 4:58 PM GMT That's not far from our route. I'll try to have a look and ask around. There looks to be some residences in the immediate area. What do you suppose those trenches are the top of the slope?

gimme789 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 28, 2007 Posts: 164 Location:NY	Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 2:11 AM GMT Edited: Jun 18, 2012 - 2:13 AM GMT Don't miss Brooks Barbecue in Oneonta NY (off of I88 ) for lunch or dinner. Extremely reasonable price, and the best BBQ chicken I have ever had. This is always a stop for me on the way home from a ski trip to the Catskills.

bmwskier Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 30, 2009 Posts: 490 Location:Northern Vermont	Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 9:33 AM GMT Quote: What do you suppose those trenches are the top of the slope? Well, they're not aligned to defend the area against attacks from below. They forgot the other two sides if it's for a foundation. Paintball perhaps? Each side gets a trench and they try to replicate the battle of Verdun?

newman Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 21, 2008 Posts: 2124 Location:The mighty SKI WARD Shrewsbury MA	Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 7:05 PM GMT Edited: Jun 18, 2012 - 7:09 PM GMT It seems nobody knows what these trails are for. When I look at the Google images, they make it look so much like a ski area design. You gotta wonder about that pond at the base.

abubob Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 27, 2008 Posts: 748 Location:Bristol, NH	Posted: Jun 20, 2012 - 1:48 AM GMT Quote: Battle of Verdun? I can see why they closed.

abubob Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 27, 2008 Posts: 748 Location:Bristol, NH	Posted: Jun 20, 2012 - 1:49 AM GMT Quote: Don't miss Brooks Barbecue in Oneonta NY (off of I88 ) for lunch or dinner. Extremely reasonable price, and the best BBQ chicken I have ever had. This is always a stop for me on the way home from a ski trip to the Catskills. Could be lunch this Saturday.

Skileader Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 15, 2002 Posts: 1000 Location:Long Island N.Y.	Posted: Jun 20, 2012 - 7:15 AM GMT A word to the wise for all. A friend of mine lives near Danbury Ct. His adult son and girlfriend live with him. She works in Brewster, N.Y. about 15- 20 minutes away. He told me she got a speeding ticket, in N.Y., on the way home this winter (didn't say how fast). She paid the fine a hundred or so. A month later she got a letter from New York State advising her she still owed the surcharge. $300. Advise using cruise at no more than 5 over. __________ Bob P.

abubob Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 27, 2008 Posts: 748 Location:Bristol, NH	Posted: Jun 21, 2012 - 8:35 PM GMT Quote: He told me she got a speeding ticket, in N.Y., on the way home this winter (didn't say how fast). She paid the fine a hundred or so. A month later she got a letter from New York State advising her she still owed the surcharge. $300. I ain't ascared.

shenty Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 17, 2005 Posts: 900 Location:Bedford NH - New London, NH	Posted: Jun 22, 2012 - 11:12 AM GMT Quote: He told me she got a speeding ticket, in N.Y., on the way home this winter (didn't say how fast). She paid the fine a hundred or so. A month later she got a letter from New York State advising her she still owed the surcharge. $300. I've heard about this surcharge. I think it's New York's way of taking the surcharge to your insurance. Basically they say we won't tell your insurance company if you pay us $300. At least that how it was explained to me. __________ There's no waiting for friends on a powder day.

abubob Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 27, 2008 Posts: 748 Location:Bristol, NH	Posted: Jul 01, 2012 - 8:52 PM GMT Edited: Jul 02, 2012 - 12:25 AM GMT Trip Report: Our trip though NY via the Southern Tier Highway was a success. There were so many things that caught our eye for places to stop and investigate that we've already discussed the possibility of taking extra days just for the trip across. We stopped at the Pine Hill Resort on Chautauqua Lake so briefly - arriving well after dark and leaving early in the morning - that we didn't even get to meet our hosts or enjoy any time on the lake. On our return trip through I got a chance to stop in Olean to investigate the mysterious satellite image discussed earlier in this thread. Here's the story: It was a planned 4 season resort with tennis courts and golf course. The developer and owner Mathias Hefti (pronounced "hufty" ) died unfortunately in 2003 before he could finish developing the area. He and his wife, Nancy, skied all over the northeast including Stratton and Magic Mountains in VT. They settled in Olean sometime in the 1960's while he taught at Holiday Valley and (I think she said) Butterfly Ridge (?) on the other side of the valley. The two lines at the top of the slope is what's left of the foundation of a house Mathias had started. I had a brief but friendly interview with Nancy on the back porch of the apartment building that she owns that you see in front of the snowmaking pond.

mapnut Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 31, 2002 Posts: 5060 Location:New York City	Posted: Jul 01, 2012 - 11:17 PM GMT Thanks Bob! So it goes in the ranks of planned-but-never-opened.

abubob Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 27, 2008 Posts: 748 Location:Bristol, NH	Posted: Jul 02, 2012 - 12:35 AM GMT Perhaps Rocket would want to add New York to the cancelled ski areas and list this. But that would mean changing the name to Northeast Cancelled Ski Areas instead of New England Cancelled Ski Areas and that would just confuse everyone. Not to mention there's probably nearly as many cancelled areas in New York alone as in all New England.

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