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Maintaining Lifts at Closed Ski Areas

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Posted: Jun 07, 2012 - 1:22 PM GMT

I renamed this post since my real subject is learning about/if lifts get any servicing at defunct areas. Is this something lift manufacturers or service companies might be interested in?

This is the sentence that caught my eye:
It has had between 2,000 and 3,000 hours of use, and has been maintained monthly by two mechanics retained by BoA since 2009, when Tamarack Resort ceased operations.


Posted: Jun 06, 2012 - 2:00 PM GMT

While I'm thrilled that I now own (a tiny part of) a HSQ w/ BoA; the lift maintenance in para.3 is what I wish to address. Other than Haystack I've not noticed lifts being maintained at closed eastern areas. BoA has done it at Tamarack since 2009. The expense is a major issue. Ownership and liability would be others. It seems like some towns who are owed taxes might consider this. Perhaps lift companies might also have an interest. Is this going in the east? Maple Valley's lifts were painted, have they been run?

BANK OF AMERICA REMOVES TAMARACK DETACHABLE

SAM Magazine—Boise, Idaho, June 5, 2012—Bank of America has acted on its threat to remove the Wildwood Express chair lift at bankrupt Tamarack Resort. The bank has hired Highlander Ski Lift Services & Construction of nearby McCall to dismantle and remove the lift, and much of the work has already been completed.

According to Paul Johnston of Highlander, the haul rope is spooled and the chairs are boxed up. The company expects to remove the towers in the next few weeks, and to complete the deconstruction of the top and bottom terminals before the scheduled October completion date. Work is already underway on the bottom terminal, and is set to begin at the top as well.

The Wildwood, which cost $4 million when new seven years ago, will be stored locally as Bank of America attempts to sell it. Johnston told SAM that the lift is in "fantastic shape," and that there has been considerable interest in purchasing it. The lift is about 6,000 feet long, with 18 towers. It has had between 2,000 and 3,000 hours of use, and has been maintained monthly by two mechanics retained by BoA since 2009, when Tamarack Resort ceased operations.

The Tamarack Municipal Association (TMA), a homeowners’ group, has operated a portion of the resort for the past two winters, but the Wildwood was not part of that effort. The lift was at the northern periphery of the area, and it was not central to the operation of the majority of Tamarack's terrain.

TMA purchased a second lift owned by BoA, the short, fixed-grip Buttercup lift, for $400,000. TMA considered purchasing the Wildwood as well, but felt the price was too high—and that a future resort buyer might not be willing to purchase the lift from TMA, leaving it with a high-maintenance responsibility.

Tamarack itself is currently in foreclosure proceedings in state court, where a settlement agreement is said to be near.

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Posted: Jun 07, 2012 - 2:34 PM GMT

I think a lot depends on who has a financial stake in the lift beyond the ski area and/or the bankrupt entity. For many years after Watatic closed, their double chair was maintained. When John Krikorian opened Prospect Hill for the 1989-90 season, it was his intent to move that lift to Prospect Hill. When he failed to make Prospect Hill run, I think that lift was sold and moved to Temple Mountain. Someone probably has the details at their finger tips to confirm that or to correct me.

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Posted: Jun 07, 2012 - 11:19 PM GMT

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I think a lot depends on who has a financial stake in the lift beyond the ski area and/or the bankrupt entity. For many years after Watatic closed, their double chair was maintained. When John Krikorian opened Prospect Hill for the 1989-90 season, it was his intent to move that lift to Prospect Hill. When he failed to make Prospect Hill run, I think that lift was sold and moved to Temple Mountain. Someone probably has the details at their finger tips to confirm that or to correct me.


I think that is a good summary. When Crotched closed, the money backer on the quad had it in Jiminys parking lot before it got stale.
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Posted: Jun 08, 2012 - 11:20 PM GMT

A financial backer in a defunct ski area would have an interest in maintaining the lifts to protect the lifts' asset values, because per the ANSI b77 lift code if a lift is not operated for maintenance for more than two years, the lift must be completely brought up to the current code and treated like a new install in order to operate again. Bringing up to current code is something that is not always practical with older grandfathered lifts- things like tower crossbar length come into play. Ultimately, code decisions are in the hands of state tramway boards and state & insurance inspectors.


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Posted: Jun 09, 2012 - 2:42 AM GMT

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A financial backer in a defunct ski area would have an interest in maintaining the lifts to protect the lifts' asset values, because per the ANSI b77 lift code if a lift is not operated for maintenance for more than two years, the lift must be completely brought up to the current code and treated like a new install in order to operate again. Bringing up to current code is something that is not always practical with older grandfathered lifts- things like tower crossbar length come into play. Ultimately, code decisions are in the hands of state tramway boards and state & insurance inspectors.



How did a place like Big Tupper get around this?
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Posted: Jun 10, 2012 - 9:18 PM GMT

What if a lift runs each year but is moved to another location on the same mountain or another mountain. Does the 2 year clock still count or is it a new install if it is re-installed? What constitutes running every 2 years? does a 5 minute summer operation meet the requirement or is a day of skier use needed?
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Posted: Jun 10, 2012 - 11:20 PM GMT

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What if a lift runs each year but is moved to another location on the same mountain or another mountain. Does the 2 year clock still count or is it a new install if it is re-installed? What constitutes running every 2 years? does a 5 minute summer operation meet the requirement or is a day of skier use needed?


When a lift is relocated, whether at it's original mountain or another, it becomes a "new" installation and has to pass a design review and Acceptance Test.
The 2 year time frame is addressed as "Before an aerial lift that is new or relocated or that has not been operated for ROUTINE MAINTENANCE within the previous 2 years..."
A "5 minute summer operation" would not qualify because it is the maintenance of the lift according to the manufacturers requirements that sets the criteria.
Generally, if a lift has not been inspected, certified, or licensed in a 2 year period it needs to be reinspected and tested.
I hope this helps.


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