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Skiing Bumps on Mogul Skis VS Twin Tips

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 - 1:50 PM GMT

Last Sunday I went to Ski Sundown to meet with Jarrod Moss, Terrain Features Manager. We wanted to see if two top Mogul Skis, the Hart F-17 Classic and the K2 244 would be easier to ski in the bumps than Jarrod's usual twin tip ski of choice.

Mogul Ski Vs Twin Tips in the Bumps
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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 - 2:22 PM GMT

well that's cool, at the end had trouble hearing, he said the K2 was "easier" and he pointed and said "but that's better" - which ski was he pointing to? and then he said why it was better, but i couldn't understand what he said.
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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 - 2:29 PM GMT

why?

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 - 4:00 PM GMT

I didn't know there was such a thing as a "mogul ski"
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Posted: Jan 19, 2012 - 12:51 AM GMT
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I didn't know there was such a thing as a "mogul ski"


There as those who lurk within this forum who will only ski on "moguls skis".....

That aside, mogul specifics skis have been made for close to ten years. They are generally narrow, has less shape and a bit softer compared to the contemporary product offerings. The narrow shape helps in snaking the planks inbetween the bumps and gives a precise location to hit or absorb the bump. In addition, the narrow waist allows faster edge to edge transition. A less shapely ski prevents any hookup or rails when skiing in the softer part of the bump. Sometimes a twin tip is use just prevent the hookup as shown in the vid.

I ski on a dynastar twister, its dimension is 98-66-85. Its skis very close to a early circa 2000 all mountain ski like the Rossi Bandit or the K2 Axis X.

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Posted: Jan 19, 2012 - 1:08 AM GMT
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Here's a btw....park rats and bumpers generally like a specific type of boot. The origins of this boot goes back to a "lost vendor"; Raichele which made the Raichele Flexon.

A company called Full Tilt bought the rights and the molds to manufacture this boot while Dalbello bought the rights to used the patented three piece cabrio design for their Krypton series. While I was at Sundown Ski (the place where the vid was taken), most of the park rats had the fulll tilt. The progressive flex allows for a cushion flex while landing while most bumpers like the progressive flex since it prevents shin bang.

Just an FYI that a "lost" vendor like Raichele and a "lost" techology like the cabrio design is making a comeback but in a different form.
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Posted: Jan 19, 2012 - 3:16 AM GMT

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That aside, mogul specifics skis have been made for close to ten years.


Ten years??? Last year I took out a pair that was over 20 years old. My guess is they've been making mogul specific for at least 30 years. Anyway, I too prefer mogul skis for everyday use. Makes 3 feet of powder feel like 4 when you don't float so much.

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Posted: Jan 19, 2012 - 11:49 AM GMT
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Ten years??? Last year I took out a pair that was over 20 years old. My guess is they've been making mogul specific for at least 30 years. Anyway, I too prefer mogul skis for everyday use. Makes 3 feet of powder feel like 4 when you don't float so much.


20 years old.... really? whats the make and model of these skis?

I didn't think they go that far back as a specific ski.... once the shaped skis era took over, a handful of vendors kept models that where narrow with less shape. Any skis made before that where moguls skis anyway since ski areas had more moguls. Guess it depends on how you look at it.

Things have changed with this oppressive era of overgrooming...
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Posted: Jan 19, 2012 - 3:16 PM GMT

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20 years old.... really? whats the make and model of these skis?


They're a pair of Olin Zero Gs that I used last year for a day, I put some tele bindings on them for the heck of it. They were my favorites back in the early 90s. I also had a couple pairs of Rossi 5M or maybe 5SM, didn't love those. The next one was the 7M or SM, I likes those a lot more, not sure what they changed. Also had the Dynstar Assaults which apparently they didn't change much when they first went to the Twister name. Not sure if they've changed much since then. Loved those skis. Had some Fischer mogul skis that were ok. Now when on alpine skis I'm usually am on the K2 Cabrawler. Had some earlier K2s along the way which I also liked a lot. Unfortunatly most of the mogul skis didn't hold up too well, I guess I was a bit rough on them. Oh yeah, just thought of another pair I loved, Spalding "Jump the Bumps". Got those in 1989. Ahhhh memories.

Viva la mogul ski!!! Glad there are still some other fans of them out there.


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Posted: Jan 24, 2012 - 1:47 AM GMT

It's actually spelled Raichle. One e.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2012 - 2:03 PM GMT

I would like to see a test with a pair of real classics. K2 Outlaws about 190 cm.

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Posted: Jan 24, 2012 - 2:20 PM GMT

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I would like to see a test with a pair of real classics. K2 Outlaws about 190 cm.


As the Meatheads would say, if you want to schralp old school, it doesn't count unless you're on 200+



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Posted: Jan 24, 2012 - 2:42 PM GMT

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I would like to see a test with a pair of real classics. K2 Outlaws about 190 cm.


One thing I noticed on the old Olins last year was the amount of snow that got shot up into my body and face. It seems like the more rounded fronts shoot more snow off to the side. Depending on conditions I used to not were googles due to the splash, I could clear my eyes a lot faster than clearing goggles. That doesn't seem neccessary with my newer K2 mogul skis.

Sorry Rick, I think the Olins were also only 190s.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2012 - 3:56 PM GMT
Edited: Jan 24, 2012 - 3:57 PM GMT

Hey that's the Meatheads. Skier who said it was Dan Marion. If I took 200s on a bump run, I'd be walking down!
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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 - 3:06 AM GMT
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It's actually spelled Raichle. One e.


stand corrected..... here's a link to the company to Full Tilt which makes these boots. It has some interesting history about this boot and the technology.

Full Tilt history



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Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 1:50 AM GMT

I remember getting rossi 4m's, had to have been between 20-25 years ago.. It was definitely a dedicated mogul ski


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