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joshua segal
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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 12:00 PM GMT

It is:
One ski - 2 skis

But is it:
"chairlift" or "chair lift"
"T-Bar" or "T Bar"
"J-Bar" or "J Bar"
gondolas or gondoli

Is there a difference between:
frozen granular and hardpack?
poma vs. platterpull
mitey mite vs. handle tow

What do you call a handle tow that has a platter in addition to the handle?

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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 12:52 PM GMT

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It is:
One ski - 2 skis

But is it:
"chairlift" or "chair lift"
"T-Bar" or "T Bar"
"J-Bar" or "J Bar"
gondolas or gondoli

Is there a difference between:
frozen granular and hardpack?
poma vs. platterpull
mitey mite vs. handle tow

What do you call a handle tow that has a platter in addition to the handle?


a chairlift takes you to the top of a trail
a chair lift is a medical transport move to use a sitting device to evacuate an immobile person.

T-bar and J-bar are correct-- the others are ranches in northern Texas.

Gondolas is correct-- gondoli are a form if Italian pasta that holds a lot of sauce from the Italian Alps region.

Frozen granular is a ski report term for groomed ridges that froze solid. Hardpack is code for ice clear enough to see a Sasquatch frozen underneath.

Poma sounds better than a platterpull which can be mistaken for a early mammal or a kitchen Olympic event. Poma sounds cooler as well.

Mitey mite's are for little kids, handle tows are the same but sound better for adults.

A handle tow with a platter would be really painful.

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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 1:02 PM GMT
Edited: Jan 02, 2012 - 1:11 PM GMT

I've never used gondoli, though I'm not opposed to it.

At Loon, employees occasionally refer to them as gondolas but mostly as cabins. For us "Gondola" is a proper noun mostly.

Mitey Mite was a company that made surface lifts like handle tows. When we had one we didn't call it The Mitey Mite we called it W-3 (the more clever names W-1 & W-2 were taken)

When we had a Magic Carpet surface conveyor we did refer to it as "The Magic Carpet". It was such a catchy name when we junked it for a SunKid conveyor it remained "The Magic Carpet" for a while.


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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 1:33 PM GMT

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What do you call a handle tow that has a platter in addition to the handle?


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A handle tow with a platter would be really painful.


They actually had one of these at Ragged Mountain (and probably elsewhere). As rider of the lift, you have the choice of using it as either a handle tow or as a platterpull.

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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 3:11 PM GMT

Ah, now for the toughest question:

Is it pronounced "GON-du-la" or "Gun-DOH-la?"

Must be really, really bad skiing this year for a July topic like this to be hot right now.
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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 3:17 PM GMT

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It is:
One ski - 2 skis

But is it:
"chairlift" or "chair lift"
"T-Bar" or "T Bar"
"J-Bar" or "J Bar" ...

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Being an occasional grammar nerd (although prone to many, many mistakes), I'd like to weigh in on T Bar and J Bar. A hyphen indicates that the two words form a single grammatical unit. So ...

Since it's not just a "T" and not just a "bar," it's a T-Bar (or T-bar) that you ride when eating an eclair. Ditto for J-bar.

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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 3:43 PM GMT

I have always thought the term 'packed powder' was funny. If it is packed, how is it powder? And, at what degree of 'packedness' does it become hardpack or ice? The mind reels...

Man we need a snowstorm....or a snow storm?
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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 4:09 PM GMT

Emphasis on the first syllable of gondola.

Where the hell is the snow???????????????
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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 5:06 PM GMT


T-bar and J-bar are correct-- the others are ranches in northern Texas.


-- gondoli are a form if Italian pasta that holds a lot of sauce from the Italian Alps region.

( Could we also use sauce from the southern Italian region???)


Hardpack is code for ice clear enough to see a Sasquatch frozen underneath.



Mitey mite's are for little kids, handle tows are the same but sound better for adults.



A handle tow with a platter would be really painful.


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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 8:05 PM GMT

It's definately Gon-DOH-la.
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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 8:47 PM GMT

I vote for GON-dola.
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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 9:00 PM GMT

^ seconded.
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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 9:25 PM GMT

Hardpack is another name for New England Packed Powder. How about the days when resorts would rate their conditions! Excellent, good to excellent, good, ect.
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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 10:23 PM GMT

In Maine, it is not called ice unless there are fish under it! And I have always be baffled by the term "wet Powder" which is used often. On Sunday, Sugarloaf waited and groomed late, which then froze into what they call frozen granular. It was difficult to see granules!
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Posted: Jan 02, 2012 - 11:03 PM GMT
Edited: Jan 02, 2012 - 11:07 PM GMT

It's been fun the way this thread has morphed. And I agree: If there was a reasonable amount of snow on the ground, this would have been a July thread.

To summarize the thread to date:
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No one contested: One ski - 2 skis
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Two opinions on:
"T-Bar" or "T Bar"
"J-Bar" or "J Bar"

They concur that it is with the hyphen.
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Only one opinion "chairlift" or "chair lift" with bmwskier saying "chairlift"
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gondolas or gondoli: However you pronounce it, gondolas seems to win the grrammar contest
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I should never have asked about "frozen granular and hardpack". It brought up too many side issues. At least nobody mentioned chicken heads or frozuroy.
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As to:
poma vs. platterpull
mitey mite vs. handle tow

Now that I think about it, I suspect that both are Trademarked Brand Name vs. Generic.
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Lastly, what do you call a handle tow that has a platter in addition to the handle?

While it received some humorous comments, no one really had an answer.

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Posted: Jan 03, 2012 - 12:31 AM GMT

Okay, I can't help myself here. Frozuroy - how cool is that! I've heard of chickenheads - how about death cookies!
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Posted: Jan 03, 2012 - 1:01 AM GMT

Actually a pomalift is different than a platterpull

A pomalift has a long bar attached to the disc, a platterpull has a shorter bar attached to a cable which is attached to the main drive cable.
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Posted: Jan 03, 2012 - 2:13 AM GMT

"chairlift" or "chair lift"

Definitely chairlift... a compound word.

"T-Bar" or "T Bar"
"J-Bar" or "J Bar"

Agree, must be hyphenated.

gondolas or gondoli

Gondola is not a second declension latin noun. No creative plurals, please! And pronounced GON-duh-lah


poma vs. platterpull

Poma is a lift company, and should be used to describe a lift of their manufacture, as in Poma lift (two words). A Pomalift (all one word) or Poma-lift describes a detachable platter pull made by poma. Platter pull describes a fixed grip platter pull. So long as no one but Poma makes detachable platter pulls, this won't be a problem.

mitey mite vs. handle tow

MiteyMite is a brand name, handle tow or just as commonly pony tow are not.

What do you call a handle tow that has a platter in addition to the handle?
I've always thought that was a nutcracker, but I now understand the Austrailian lifts by that name are different.
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Posted: Jan 03, 2012 - 10:19 PM GMT

What snowngr said, on all counts. I'll add that handle tows have also been referred to as Pony lifts. Cannon's used to be called that, but now it's called a handle tow. (Amusingly, that is the only lift at Cannon that is not new since I first skied there.)
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Posted: Jan 04, 2012 - 3:07 AM GMT

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It is:
One ski - 2 skis

Why not "two skis"?


Quote:
But is it:
"chairlift" or "chair lift"
"T-Bar" or "T Bar"
"J-Bar" or "J Bar"
gondolas or gondoli

Is it e-mail or email?


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Is there a difference between:
frozen granular and hardpack?

Yes.


Quote:
poma vs. platterpull
mitey mite vs. handle tow

Brand names vs. functional name


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What do you call a handle tow that has a platter in addition to the handle?

No clue. Now I'll go back and read what everybody else said.

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