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Best \"positioned\" areas after Nelsap

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Posted: Dec 29, 2011 - 10:59 PM GMT
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Seems Crotched Is high on the list,

What ski areas are in the best "overall" condition/ position after recovering from the Nelsap list IYHO?

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Posted: Dec 29, 2011 - 11:14 PM GMT

Granite Gorge is much bigger and modern after being redeveloped from the former Pinnacle.

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Posted: Dec 29, 2011 - 11:24 PM GMT

While far from the same league as Crotched, Hickory NY seemed to be a much happier place last year. That said, with no snowmaking, it's at the mercy of the elements.

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Posted: Dec 29, 2011 - 11:43 PM GMT

To clarify, I mean best financial position with the lowest likelihood to re- Nelsap. Best area putting out the best product with good management and positioned to succeed long term.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2011 - 12:06 AM GMT

Mittersill having been incorporated into Cannon seems a likely candidate.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2011 - 12:08 AM GMT

nelsap is now a verb. Carry on

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Posted: Dec 30, 2011 - 12:53 AM GMT

Good list:
A number of smaller areas such as Living Memorial in Brattleboro and Arrowhead in Claremont have skipped a season or two, so perhaps we want to exclude "non-commercial" options.

Perhaps alist of the options which we can then rank-order:
- MA
Did Blandford, Bousquet, Otis Ridge or Berkshire East ever skip a season?

- NH:
Crotched, Granite Gorge, Mittersill, Ragged

- VT:
Magic
Did Carinthia skip a season before it became part of Mt. Snow?

- NJ
Mt. Creek

- NY
Hickory, Big Tupper, North Creek Ski Bowl
Did Royal Mt. skip a season?
Did Moon Valley skip a season when it became Titus Mt.?
Did Tuxedo Ridge/Sterling Forest skip a season?

What else did I miss??

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Posted: Dec 30, 2011 - 1:09 AM GMT

How about the area that was closed the longest and is now doing the best and with a bright future.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2011 - 1:37 AM GMT
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I'd nominate Berkshire East (skipped the second half of the 50s-1960), Butternut, and Sundown (closed for two seasons at the end of the 1960s).

Still a work in progress, but some operations timelines:

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Posted: Dec 30, 2011 - 1:59 AM GMT

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How about the area that was closed the longest and is now doing the best and with a bright future.

Ah, cisco: You asked a difficult question and now you want simple answers? SJers are now on the case

I think though, that given the list presented that you'd be hard pressed to omit the areas absorbed: i.e. Mittersill and North Creek; and Crotched and Ragged were both closed for over a decade before returning.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2011 - 3:07 AM GMT

Mountain Creek never closed. When Intrawest took over VV/GG they closed GG South (Creek South Peak) for one season to rebuild. The first season the area was know as Mountain Creek at Vernon. Vernon Valley ang GGN. The next summer four quads and the Cabrolet were put in on all four 'peaks'.
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Posted: Dec 30, 2011 - 5:31 AM GMT

Plattekill,

Laz moved slowly and intelligently. It will never make him rich, but he seems to have a good business plan for both the winter and the summer.

Ok, technically it was NYLSAP
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Posted: Dec 30, 2011 - 11:57 AM GMT

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Laz moved slowly and intelligently. It will never make him rich, but he seems to have a good business plan for both the winter and the summer.

Ok, technically it was NYLSAP

When was Plattekill out of business?

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Posted: Dec 30, 2011 - 3:00 PM GMT

Best back from the dead story?

North Creek Ski Bowl.

What other little neighborhood ski hill, with a couple of T Bars and 800 Feet vertical, woke up from its slumber with 2,500 vetical feet and a Gondola?
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Posted: Dec 31, 2011 - 1:21 AM GMT

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Best back from the dead story?

North Creek Ski Bowl.

What other little neighborhood ski hill, with a couple of T Bars and 800 Feet vertical, woke up from its slumber with 2,500 vetical feet and a Gondola?

While I don't disagree, why would this be different from Mittersill?

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Posted: Dec 31, 2011 - 3:23 AM GMT

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Plattekill,

Laz moved slowly and intelligently. It will never make him rich, but he seems to have a good business plan for both the winter and the summer.

Ok, technically it was NYLSAP


I would think he is doing alot better than he will admit. Not a billion dollars worth, but in the black or more. The summer program has a high profit ratio. Winter could be just so so.
I dont think Plattekill closed. I dont remember who owned the mountain after the Hinkleys and before Lazlo. I dont ever remember a closed season in that time.
One area that closed and came back strong was Big Bear PA, the former Masthope. I know, I know, NOT New England.
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Posted: Dec 31, 2011 - 5:04 AM GMT

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One area that closed and came back strong was Big Bear PA, the former Masthope. I know, I know, NOT New England.


Skied there today and this past Monday. It's been my go-to place for the last three years Christmas week. They have as much open as any of the Pocono areas with less crowds and great conditions. Monday was ski-on all day. Today it got to about a 5 minute wait around 2:30 when the New Years weekend crowd arrived. Very nice new lodge with lots of cubbies and a nice bar and restaurant. Nothing too tough but it was great to avoid the crowds on limited terrain at the other areas. They converted a double to a double-double a few years ago and they seem to be doing very well. Another SJ contributor can add his impressions if he cares to.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled NE progamming.

P.S. Plattekill rocks!
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Posted: Dec 31, 2011 - 5:14 AM GMT

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When was Plattekill out of business?


IIRC It didn't operate for a couple of seasons in the early 90's. Laz bought it at a bankruptcy sale in '93
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Posted: Jan 01, 2012 - 12:02 AM GMT
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[quote]One area that closed and came back strong was Big Bear PA, the former Masthope. I know, I know, NOT New England.


Skied there today and this past Monday. It's been my go-to place for the last three years Christmas week. They have as much open as any of the Pocono areas with less crowds and great conditions. Monday was ski-on all day. Today it got to about a 5 minute wait around 2:30 when the New Years weekend crowd arrived. Very nice new lodge with lots of cubbies and a nice bar and restaurant. Nothing too tough but it was great to avoid the crowds on limited terrain at the other areas. They converted a double to a double-double a few years ago and they seem to be doing very well. Another SJ contributor can add his impressions if he cares to.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled NE progamming.

P.S. Plattekill rocks![/quote]

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Posted: Jan 01, 2012 - 12:55 PM GMT

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Good list:
A number of smaller areas such as Living Memorial in Brattleboro and Arrowhead in Claremont have skipped a season or two, so perhaps we want to exclude "non-commercial" options.

Perhaps alist of the options which we can then rank-order:
- MA
Did Blandford, Bousquet, Otis Ridge or Berkshire East ever skip a season?

- NH:
(snip) ...

What else did I miss??


Despite several changes in ownership and management over the past 75 years, and some hard times, Bousquet was never closed to my knowledge.

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