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Early History of Glenwood Acres Ski Club

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Posted: May 03, 2010 - 9:35 PM GMT

Does anyone have any history on Glenwood? I had heard originally it was located across the street and then moved next to Kissing Bridge. Thanks
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Posted: May 04, 2010 - 4:33 AM GMT

Don't have any historical info, but having skied KB for years I cant see any evidence of a ski hill across the road. That being said it doesn't mean it couldn't have grown in. Could "Murray Hill Ski Club" (now the snow tubing park) have been it's original location?

Or perhaps "Think Snow" on the opposite side of the road, but several miles north?
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Posted: May 04, 2010 - 5:06 AM GMT

Glenwood Acres was located on what is now KB north. It was t-bars before the Slalom Quad and Dream Chair (now removed) If you are in the North Lodge, the sign above the Men's bathroom still has the cross-hatched tree logo, which was the glenwood acres logo.

drsmooth....what are you referring to by "think snow"?
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Posted: May 04, 2010 - 11:08 AM GMT

I had at one time years ago seen a picture that said glenwood was across the street from KB, just cannot remember where I had seen this.
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Posted: May 04, 2010 - 1:24 PM GMT

Glenwood was where I learned to ski. In 1967 I believe it was on the same side as KB because you could ski between them. At least that's what I was told. I only remember being miserable after being drug up the bunny hill by the rope tow. I swore I'd never ski again. Bad memories of Glenwood. First lift I ever "rode". I may have actually first skied at Chestnut Ridge but that would've been walk up, fall down, walk up, fall down.

..... I got over it.
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Posted: May 04, 2010 - 4:59 PM GMT

Good local sources--

Talk to the KB ski patrol. They have a lot of members that have been there since the area opened or know where they went when they retired. The Patrol Director has been there for at least 20 years.


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Posted: May 04, 2010 - 6:10 PM GMT
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Article on Glenwood Acres/Murray Hill

What's the area about 5 miles north of KB off County road 441? Aerial view
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Posted: May 04, 2010 - 6:17 PM GMT

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What's the area about 5 miles north of KB off County road 441? Aerial view



That is Buffalo Ski Club, my place of employment!



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Posted: May 04, 2010 - 8:37 PM GMT

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Glenwood was where I learned to ski. In 1967 I believe it was on the same side as KB because you could ski between them. At least that's what I was told. I only remember being miserable after being drug up the bunny hill by the rope tow. I swore I'd never ski again. Bad memories of Glenwood. First lift I ever "rode". I may have actually first skied at Chestnut Ridge but that would've been walk up, fall down, walk up, fall down.

..... I got over it.

We most likley were dragged up at the same time as that is when we started going to Glenwood on saturdays to learn to ski in 67.
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Posted: May 05, 2010 - 4:11 AM GMT

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drsmooth....what are you referring to by "think snow"?


"Think Snow" was a small area serviced by a rope/handle tow just North of K.B. When I say a few miles I could be wrong).

It was in operation until 1988 (as far as I remember). It was on the slope opposite K.B.

K.B. faces East, "Think Snow" faced West.

"Think Snow" was near Glenwood on the 240. The left side of the road if driving from Buffalo. Last time I was there it still said "Think Snow" on the lower lift station shed.
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Posted: May 05, 2010 - 4:31 AM GMT

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"Think Snow" was a small area serviced by a rope/handle tow just North of K.B. When I say a few miles I could be wrong).

It was in operation until 1988 (as far as I remember). It was on the slope opposite K.B.

K.B. faces East, "Think Snow" faced West.

"Think Snow" was near Glenwood on the 240. The left side of the road if driving from Buffalo. Last time I was there it still said "Think Snow" on the lower lift station shed.


Interesting....I've never heard of the place. Curious to know more, if anyone else can shed light on this.
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Posted: May 05, 2010 - 12:03 PM GMT

I have never seen that either and I live basicaly on the hill across from KB, there are some OLD lights that look like night skiing from a long time ago on Crump Rd and there is an old shack as well?
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Posted: May 06, 2010 - 3:48 AM GMT

Brian,
Where exactly on Crump road is this area? I'm now really intrigued and found myself driving around Glenwood searching for both that area and the "Think Snow" one that drsmooth mentioned. I seem to recall a mentioning of a tow area in holland, ny


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Posted: May 06, 2010 - 4:19 AM GMT
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I have never seen that either and I live basicaly on the hill across from KB, there are some OLD lights that look like night skiing from a long time ago on Crump Rd and there is an old shack as well?


After a long search on google street view I was unable to uncover any results. However I talked to my 3 older brothers about "Think Snow".

All 3 told me it was a rope tow area South of the Tamarack (Buffalo Ski Club) lower entrance road.

If you are driving from Buffalo it is on your left just after a left hand turn in the road. Also it is before West Falls. I remember seeing the lift shack from the road (it is very close to the road).

My oldest brother who drives transport trucks was last on the 240, a few years ago. He was headed to Springville but the 219 was closed due to an accident involving a car and a black bear.

He told me as of a few years ago the lower terminal building is still visible and Think Snow (on the terminal building) was still readable although the paint was badly peeling.

He is the only one of my brothers to actually ski there. His school ski trip was supposed to go to Kissing Bridge. A train accident on the tracks at the base of K.B. made their bus unable to get into K.B. The teachers thought about Tamarack but didn't have enough $ to pay for all the kids lift tickets. Think Snow was real cheap!
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Posted: May 06, 2010 - 12:25 PM GMT

Crump is just down the road from the north entrance to KB if you look closley when you turn onto crump you will see the shack, continue up and on the right side you will see the lights.
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Posted: May 07, 2010 - 3:26 PM GMT

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[quote]I have never seen that either and I live basicaly on the hill across from KB, there are some OLD lights that look like night skiing from a long time ago on Crump Rd and there is an old shack as well?


After a long search on google street view I was unable to uncover any results. However I talked to my 3 older brothers about "Think Snow".

All 3 told me it was a rope tow area South of the Tamarack (Buffalo Ski Club) lower entrance road.

If you are driving from Buffalo it is on your left just after a left hand turn in the road. Also it is before West Falls. I remember seeing the lift shack from the road (it is very close to the road).

My oldest brother who drives transport trucks was last on the 240, a few years ago. He was headed to Springville but the 219 was closed due to an accident involving a car and a black bear.

He told me as of a few years ago the lower terminal building is still visible and Think Snow (on the terminal building) was still readable although the paint was badly peeling.

He is the only one of my brothers to actually ski there. His school ski trip was supposed to go to Kissing Bridge. A train accident on the tracks at the base of K.B. made their bus unable to get into K.B. The teachers thought about Tamarack but didn't have enough $ to pay for all the kids lift tickets. Think Snow was real cheap! [/quote]
Do you have any landmarks to look for as you get near it? If coming from KB going towards BSC where would I find it?
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Posted: May 07, 2010 - 8:25 PM GMT

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He is the only one of my brothers to actually ski there. His school ski trip was supposed to go to Kissing Bridge. A train accident on the tracks at the base of K.B. made their bus unable to get into K.B.


Drsmooth,

Are you describing the train accident where the school bus from North Tonawanda ski club was hit by the train going to KB?
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Posted: May 08, 2010 - 3:07 AM GMT
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Do you have any landmarks to look for as you get near it? If coming from KB going towards BSC where would I find it?
Thanks


It is in the middle of a bend in the road from KB to the right. The lift shack is painted white with red trim (at least a few years ago it was, and was peeling badly). Think Snow (written on the shack) and a big snowflake (white with red border) was still visible from a bus or in my brothers case a transport truck.

The lift shack was 10x10' approx. The hill about 3-400ft in length and extended almost to the road at which point it was about 50 ft wide. Which is probably why it is easy to miss.

As far as landmarks, in both directions there is heavy tree cover and (as far as my last trip past it) no houses at least 1/8th of a mile in ether direction except for a house adjacent to Think Snow (on the right side of the road , to the left of the hill if approaching from KB. Presumably where the owner/s lived). There was a small parking area near the house and a area cut through a line of trees leading to the base of the tow.

Hope this helps.


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Posted: May 08, 2010 - 3:13 AM GMT

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He is the only one of my brothers to actually ski there. His school ski trip was supposed to go to Kissing Bridge. A train accident on the tracks at the base of K.B. made their bus unable to get into K.B.


Drsmooth,

Are you describing the train accident where the school bus from North Tonawanda ski club was hit by the train going to KB?[/quote]


Will ask my brother when I talk to him next but I did find this R.R. message board thread regarding an accident around the same time could be the one my brother was talking about. Apparently The K.B. Ski Patrol was first on the scene. I don't think they train them (no pun intended) how to deal with a railway accident. There are some pictures on the later pages of the thread.
Kissing Bridge Railway Accident
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Posted: May 10, 2010 - 1:09 AM GMT

Hi everyone; I grew up in West Seneca, Ny. and learned to ski at Chestnut Ridge, Glenwood Acres (GA) and Kissing Bridge (KB). I know the area quite well. Lets drive out Rt.240, through Orchard Park. Veer off onto Chestnut Ridge Rd. and straight ahead was Chestnut Ridge Park. Gas powered rope tow , slope either side, lights for night skiing and all free! Further out of town before the hard right turn is the Cole Rd. which takes you up to the Lower East Hill Rd. where the 3 original private ski clubs were; Matterhorn, Sitzmarker and the Buffalo Ski Club, all in a row on the left side of the Rd. (east exposure) Parking/warming hut(clubhouses) at the top of the hill, ski down ride up. I believe each had a rope tow and one or two of them had T-bars. I believe Buffalo Ski Club still exists and the other two are combined to form what is Tamarack Ridge today;(open to the public). Back down on Rt. 240, heading south and just before West Falls, Ny. was a small clearing ( rectangular) up from road on the left hand side adjacent to an older house. This was the owners private property and to the best of my knowledge, never open to the public. "Think Snow " was just the slogan they painted onto the rope tow power shack. Of all the daytime/nightime trips past this spot , we never witnessed a skier on this short little hill (west exposure). Continuing on Rt. 240 you will find Crump Rd. on your left just inside the town of Glenwood. Bob Chrone (original founder/builder of Glenwood Acres) owned some land up Cump Rd.(west exposure) and cleared a slope to become the Glenwood Acres Ski Club. In later years he developed what became Glenwood Acres on the right side of Rt.240(T-bar and rope tow) (then two t-bars) ( east exposure) --- now known as KB. North. To the exteme right of old GA was Murray Hill Ski club, now Colden Tubing hill . When I started skiing at GA,(early sixties) there was a small warming hut/chalet off to the left of the base area for the Glenwood Acres Ski Club. I have no idea what became of them in later years. Just beyond GA. on the same ridge , KB was built by Robert James. Both these areas could only be accessed by crossing bridges over the west branch of Cazenovia Creek. KB was named with the intent of building a covered bridge. Just beyond KB (same ridge) was Concord Ski Club ( KB,s private ski club) with one T-bar and possibly a rope tow. Of course we all know this whole ridge now as the Kissing Bridge Corporation under the directorship of Mark Halter. It's really great to remember Mark as one of the original members of the West Seneca Ski Club (Shneeflocken).

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Paul

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