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bousquet19 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Feb 21, 2005 Posts: 1811 Location:Shenandoah Valley, Virginia	Posted: Apr 18, 2008 - 11:29 AM GMT Quote: (snip) Woody, you mentioned Nose Dive as having a double fall line. I havn't been at Stowe in many years, but I seem to remember that Goat at Stowe did, too. As I recall, it was very narrow then and went down and to the left and my combination of long skis (Head Vectors 215s) and not enough talent made it pretty exciting. Right, Bill! I provided my photo of Nose Dive because I'm not good enough on skis to look at Goat, let alone ski it. Bet it was plenty hairy on your Head Vector 215s. Woody __________ "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."

lscski Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2004 Posts: 403 Location:Morrisville vt	Posted: Apr 18, 2008 - 11:59 AM GMT hey bousquet19 I don't think thats a pick of uppernose dive. __________ Praise be to Ullr

bousquet19 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Feb 21, 2005 Posts: 1811 Location:Shenandoah Valley, Virginia	Posted: Apr 18, 2008 - 12:25 PM GMT lscski, it's actually "upper" Upper Nose Dive -- the route from the summit of the Nose that you have to climb up mfrom the Octagon. I took the photo last month. __________ "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."

marcski Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 14, 2003 Posts: 2066 Location:Westchester Co., N.Y.	Posted: Apr 18, 2008 - 12:34 PM GMT Quote: [quote] mapnut, how about a phrase; all skewed up. Wasn't that an Elvis song? [/quote] Man, Rocket, this guy is a renaissance man if I've ever seen one. He shows up in politics, skiing, and now rock and roll!!!

marcski Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 14, 2003 Posts: 2066 Location:Westchester Co., N.Y.	Posted: Apr 18, 2008 - 12:47 PM GMT Now back to the topic at hand...there was (maybe still is) an old adage that the fall-line is path a ball would take if released and let to roll down the slope. So, as stated by many above, a double fall line would be a slope or trail that "leans" to one side as well as sloping downhill.

skirick Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 468 Location:Westchester Cnty, NY	Posted: Apr 18, 2008 - 1:05 PM GMT So double fall line is a misnomer. There is only one straight way down hill on any slope that you are on. Of course this constantly changes as you move to a different spot. Maybe a better term would be Deceptive Fall Line. __________ Young enough to ski hard but old enough to know when.

rocket21 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2001 Posts: 8404 Location:USA	Posted: Apr 18, 2008 - 1:43 PM GMT Edited: Apr 18, 2008 - 1:43 PM GMT Quote: Man, Rocket, this guy is a renaissance man if I've ever seen one. He shows up in politics, skiing, and now rock and roll!!! Yep, Chris is everywhere! (except at the SnowJournal 2.0 launch party, which still has yet to be planned...will the NELSAP book release party happen first?) __________ NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

marcski Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 14, 2003 Posts: 2066 Location:Westchester Co., N.Y.	Posted: Apr 18, 2008 - 2:13 PM GMT Quote: So double fall line is a misnomer. There is only one straight way down hill on any slope that you are on. Of course this constantly changes as you move to a different spot. Maybe a better term would be Deceptive Fall Line. Not necessarily, because, if you are on an area where there is more than one "way down". In other words, say, you're standing in a specific spot on a trail and you "drop the ball" to your right, it will "roll down the fall line" in one direction. But if you "drop the ball" to your left, it will "roll down another fall line" in a different direction. Jaws of Death at Mt. Snow, is another "tilted" trail. I think this is true for most double fall line trails, definitely for Jaws, that if you want to keep a straight line, one of your turns (ie either left or right) will be much quicker than the other. I enjoy a double fall line trail, in that it is more interesting to ski than a completely flat, smoothed out groomed trail. Like many here, I enjoy trails that follow the contours of a mountain, enveloping the rolls and undulations rather than smoothing them out, including double fall line trails..

joshua segal Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 12, 2004 Posts: 5945 Location:NH	Posted: Apr 18, 2008 - 2:20 PM GMT Double fall line are very common, but some seasons, with modern snowmaking, some double-fall line trails such as Birches at Ragged appear flat due to many feet of machine made snow. In other cases, trails that I remember skiing years ago with double fall lines have be flattened and widened with blasting and bulldozers. __________ Joshua Segal

jimk Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 27, 2004 Posts: 1066 Location:Wash DC area	Posted: Apr 18, 2008 - 5:11 PM GMT Edited: Apr 18, 2008 - 5:17 PM GMT Quote: Stowe has a "better" example of double fall, the upper part of Goat. I grewup skiing at Hidden Valley east of Pittsburgh. They have a trail, under their current twin triple chairs that has a terrible double fall line. If you simply let your skis go with the flow (gravity), in less than 100 yards you'd be in the trees on skier's right. So every 50 yards while going "down" we'd fight gravity and angle skier's left. I was on that trail in Jan '08. Believe it's called Stingray. I can appreciate a weird corkscrew black diamond as much as the next guy, but let me tell you green and easy blue trails with wicked double fall lines like Stingray are about as much fun as pushing a lawn mower sideways across a real steep yard of grass. fun double fall lines on Stembogen trail at Blue Knob, PA

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