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skier man Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Feb 22, 2007 Posts: 444 Location:Franklin, MA	Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 11:27 AM GMT Th sun is changing cycles and Nasa is saying colder weather to follow similar to 1790-1850 starting by 2011

riverc0il Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 05, 2002 Posts: 2858 Location:Ashland, NH	Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 11:51 AM GMT Got a better source? A quick search could not yield any substantial verification on that organization nor that press release. __________ TheSnowWay.com

rstuthill Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 03, 2005 Posts: 1631 Location:Bolton, CT	Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 12:33 PM GMT Not sure how much expertise they have in long term weather prediction, but NASA has got to employ the most scientists and engineers in the world. They did put man on the moon. ... or were you being facetious?

rogerjack Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 26, 2007 Posts: 509 Location:	Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 1:35 PM GMT Nasa is the biggest pork barrel of all time. Never has so much been spent to learn so little that may aid mankind.

ski la douche Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 06, 2008 Posts: 228 Location:canada bien sur!	Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 1:46 PM GMT I never do understand about NASA. All that money when you don't have all healthcare like me. So you have the satalite numbers. Forget your NASA. Farmers book says a lot of snow and cold. __________ j'aime les ballons et les grands tetons

mapnut Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 31, 2002 Posts: 3993 Location:New York City	Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 1:55 PM GMT Edited: Jan 07, 2008 - 4:07 PM GMT The link is not NASA. Whoever SSRC is, they are just saying that NASA's observations of solar cycles agree with theirs. SSRC is the one claiming that all climate change on Earth is attributable to changes in the sun. This is a popular argument of "anthropogenic global warming" deniers. I will look into this claim a bit more. Skier Man, how did you hear about that announcement?

roger47 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Feb 21, 2007 Posts: 860 Location:	Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 2:07 PM GMT Edited: Jan 07, 2008 - 2:16 PM GMT I think mapnut's on the right track in evaluating the weight of SSRC's press release. The Relational Cycle Theory on which SSRC bases its analyses takes no account of atmospheric impacts on climate, but only solar activity. In traditional journalistic parlance, SSRC sounds like a nutcase outfit to me. mapnut also is correct in pointing out the link between this line of analysis and groups that deny human impact on climate change. mapnut, you rock!

WOHOP Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 11, 2003 Posts: 164 Location:NEW FAIRFIELD CT	Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 4:33 PM GMT There are two types of oats ones that horses have not eaten and ones that have been through the horse, this story is the latter type of oats. Solar cycle 24 has just begun as evidenced by the first reverse polarity sunspot seen on the suns surface,these solar cycles are approximately 11 years in duration,we are currently at solar minimum. Solar maximum should be around 2011. __________ DON'T PANIC

powderbank Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 07, 2007 Posts: 37 Location:Vermont	Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 4:49 PM GMT Found this on Accuweather: Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin, a Merited Scientist of Russia and fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences says that Earth is now at the peak of one of its passing warm spells, which according to him, is a natural process and utterly independent of hothouse gases. According to Sorokhtin's article from the Russian News and Information Agency, data obtained from Habibullah Abdusamatov, who is the head of the Pulkovo Observatory space research laboratory, shows that a fairly cold spell will set in quite soon, by 2012, but real cold will come when solar activity reaches its minimum, by 2041, and will last for 50-60 years or longer. Sorokhtin also notes..... Carbon dioxide is not to blame for global climate change. Solar activity is many times more powerful than the energy produced by the whole of humankind. Manâ€™s influence on nature is a drop in the ocean. Earth is unlikely to ever face a temperature disaster. The principal is Earthâ€™s reflective power, which regulates its temperature. A warm period, as the present, increases oceanic evaporation to produce a great amount of clouds, which filter solar radiation and so bring heat down. Things take the contrary turn in a cold period. You can read the full article here. I tried to find out more specific information about Dr. Sorokhtin and Abdusamatov, but all I found was similar links to this particular story, and let me say, there were a large number of links to this story on the web. Sure would be nice to see some old fashioned "old man winter" for a while. __________ Vermont Skiing & Snowboarding

joshua segal Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 12, 2004 Posts: 4270 Location:NH	Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 4:51 PM GMT Quote: Nasa is the biggest pork barrel of all time. Never has so much been spent to learn so little that may aid mankind. I suppose if you want to keep this forum to skiing, most of the thermal materials that make skiing today so comfortable came directly out of the space program; not to mention the materials technology that have resulted in lighter and stronger skis, plus many of the plastics usded for boots. In addition, the vast majority of breakthoughs in computers and computing that led to this forum, your home computer and most of what makes our lives better than those of a generation before came out of the space program in general and NASA in particular. If that's a waste, I'd like to know what is worthwhile. Tax cuts for the wealthy? Ooh, even Bill Gates seems to trace his wealth to NASA __________ Joshua Segal

mapnut Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 31, 2002 Posts: 3993 Location:New York City	Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 5:49 PM GMT Well said, Joshua. I got a couple responses to my post at Bad Astronomy.com, pretty much bearing me out. One guy looked up the address of SSRC and found out it's essentially an answering service!

WOHOP Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Mar 11, 2003 Posts: 164 Location:NEW FAIRFIELD CT	Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 9:58 PM GMT Quote: Found this on Accuweather: Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin, a Merited Scientist of Russia and fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences says that Earth is now at the peak of one of its passing warm spells, which according to him, is a natural process and utterly independent of hothouse gases. According to Sorokhtin's article from the Russian News and Information Agency, data obtained from Habibullah Abdusamatov, who is the head of the Pulkovo Observatory space research laboratory, shows that a fairly cold spell will set in quite soon, by 2012, but real cold will come when solar activity reaches its minimum, by 2041, and will last for 50-60 years or longer. Sorokhtin also notes..... Carbon dioxide is not to blame for global climate change. Solar activity is many times more powerful than the energy produced by the whole of humankind. Manâ€™s influence on nature is a drop in the ocean. Earth is unlikely to ever face a temperature disaster. The principal is Earthâ€™s reflective power, which regulates its temperature. A warm period, as the present, increases oceanic evaporation to produce a great amount of clouds, which filter solar radiation and so bring heat down. Things take the contrary turn in a cold period. You can read the full article here. I tried to find out more specific information about Dr. Sorokhtin and Abdusamatov, but all I found was similar links to this particular story, and let me say, there were a large number of links to this story on the web. Sure would be nice to see some old fashioned "old man winter" for a while. More previously eaten oats! __________ DON'T PANIC

lscski Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2004 Posts: 403 Location:Morrisville vt	Posted: Jan 08, 2008 - 1:36 PM GMT Josh, Dont tax cuts for the "rich" help our economy grow buy allowing the rich to invest more cash into this great country. I know that "poor" people like me tend to save the money that I have. __________ Praise be to Ullr

joshua segal Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 12, 2004 Posts: 4270 Location:NH	Posted: Jan 08, 2008 - 2:08 PM GMT Quote: Joshua, Dont tax cuts for the "rich" help our economy grow buy allowing the rich to invest more cash into this great country. I know that "poor" people like me tend to save the money that I have. I'm not sure the NELSAP forum is the right place to discuss "trickle-down economics" or "Reaganomics." So I will acknowledge that there is a fraction of the economic community who would agree with what you said and leave a discussion of non-skiing economics to another forum. __________ Joshua Segal

skier man Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Feb 22, 2007 Posts: 444 Location:Franklin, MA	Posted: Jan 08, 2008 - 7:22 PM GMT Quote: The link is not NASA. Whoever SSRC is, they are just saying that NASA's observations of solar cycles agree with theirs. SSRC is the one claiming that all climate change on Earth is attributable to changes in the sun. This is a popular argument of "anthropogenic global warming" deniers. I will look into this claim a bit more. Skier Man, how did you hear about that announcement? It was on matt noyes website blog matt noyes.net

mapnut Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jul 31, 2002 Posts: 3993 Location:New York City	Posted: Jan 10, 2008 - 5:59 PM GMT Sorry, Skier Man, SSRC is almost completely discredited. Their website has now been updated to admit that their office is only a virtual one, and they will only have a real office after they get some funding. I wonder where their staff of top international experts meets. Latest on my thread at Bad Astronomy - funny, in that discussion Andre argues vociferously that we shouldn't disbelieve the Relational Cycle Theory just because the guy promoting it has no qualifications, has not published a paper, and lied about the existence of an office.

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