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Another humonglious storm coming our way

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jb66 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jun 24, 2004 Posts: 1585 Location:	Posted: Dec 13, 2007 - 10:43 PM GMT Sunday is the day, folks. This was sent to VT road crews, I understand, from Roger Hill: Major Nor'easter to dump big snows across the state. Arriving Saturday night and lasting into Sunday night before exiting...as snow showers and flurries. Wind drifting and snow loading could be problematical with such a big amount of snow fall, though it will be cold aloft and at the surface making it a drier snowfall with less stick about 20:1 ratio or better, some areas traditionally start out that way but work back toward 10 to 15:1 ratios making for wetter combinations. System will be loaded up with moisture for the Gulf of Mexico and import from remnants of ex tropical storm Olga. It will track from Texas to southern New England and off the coast into the Gulf of Maine while interior New England temperatures will be cold enough for all snow...dividing line with any further track inland may shift north to affect southern Vermont with chance for risked sleet and wetter snow ratio's for snow loading. Please see track of this important storm via the graphics especially numbered 4,5,6 Needless to say we'll have to watch the winds from the north at 20 to 35 mph with possible gusts to 40 mph in the higher terrain with blowing and drifting and blizzard white-out conditions developing Saturday night into the all of Sunday. Meso-scale banding will be an important feature during the early Sunday morning and again Sunday afternoon with potential 2 to 3 inch snowfall rates per hour, possibly even thunder as the storm will have higher than usual upward vertical motion. I'm recommending a conference call at 2 or 3 PM tomorrow to brief for latest information about this upcoming storm event. With the colder temperatures in place I'm anticipating a dry snow, but with lots of it possible 2 to extreme cases 4 feet and 1 to 2 feet in many valleys. The storms has similarity to the Valentines Day storm with more wind and and slightly less precip amounts but still very healthy possibly in the top 15 or 20 winter storms based on current trajectory and forecast models. ---- Get out your shovels and fat skis, and get ready to call in sick Monday.

WoodCore Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 13, 2002 Posts: 3134 Location:CT	Posted: Dec 13, 2007 - 11:10 PM GMT Nice!!!! Looks like I picked the right week to take a vacation from work. __________ "Freedom often leads, but responsibility always follows close behind."

iskiatomic Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: May 22, 2004 Posts: 637 Location:SOUTHINGTON, CT	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 12:45 AM GMT GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________ DON'T LET FEAR AND COMMON SENSE STAND IN YOUR WAY

wanderingskis Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 742 Location:Rindge, NH	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 1:05 AM GMT any predictions for Eastern Mass? its looking like a mixed bag right now. Some snow, sleet, freezing rain, plain rain. The whole 9 yards.

chfriend Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: May 17, 2007 Posts: 421 Location:Central MA	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 1:08 AM GMT They are saying a short changover to rain on Sunday for Central MA but at the same time are saying a high of 28....I hate to tell them but it can't rain at 28 degrees. __________ Just in case it's not dead yet, keep hitting it with a stick, maybe throw a few rocks at it, urinate on it... You know, the whole ball of wax...

NewYorkSkier17 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 17, 2002 Posts: 694 Location:Vancouver, WA/ Oneida, NY	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 1:12 AM GMT Just a heads up.. If you live near Albany........North Adams, MA.........Keene, NH, and points north of those locations.. expect some heavy snow for Saturday evening on through sunday afternoon.. __________ ~Rich~

catamount82 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 573 Location:NJ	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 1:14 AM GMT Quote: They are saying a short changover to rain on Sunday for Central MA but at the same time are saying a high of 28....I hate to tell them but it can't rain at 28 degrees. Uhhhhh, I think it's called FREEZING rain? I remember the winter of 1993-1994 in NJ. One night, it was raining and the outside temp was 9 deg. F. __________ "Always drink upstream...from the herd"

skiguy17 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 24, 2007 Posts: 172 Location:Franklin, MA	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 1:28 AM GMT Quote: They are saying a short changover to rain on Sunday for Central MA but at the same time are saying a high of 28....I hate to tell them but it can't rain at 28 degrees. I'm with you on that one. NECN says 24 for a high with snow/rain on sunday. It will probably be all frozen precip NW of Attleboro. __________ Bruins > NHL

wanderingskis Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 742 Location:Rindge, NH	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 3:32 AM GMT Quote: They are saying a short changover to rain on Sunday for Central MA but at the same time are saying a high of 28....I hate to tell them but it can't rain at 28 degrees. Warm air riding over the cold layer of air at ground level melts the precipitation. The thickness of the layer of cold air on the bottom determines whether the precipitation falls as rain, freezing rain, sleet, or snow.

wanderingskis Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 742 Location:Rindge, NH	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 3:32 AM GMT Edited: Dec 14, 2007 - 3:33 AM GMT Double Post!

powderbank Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 07, 2007 Posts: 37 Location:Vermont	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 6:11 AM GMT Wow! December has really shaped up nicely. Looks like we are going to get a double barrel full and some more on Sat!. Look for the powderbank.com van up at Bolton Valley on Sunday 12/16...Looks like we should get some great Vermont powder skiing video. Check out our latest stops and videos from our November and December tour, and support our resort communities. Think Snow ! Reports from around Mount Snow say 7-10" has already fallen. See you on the slopes. __________ Vermont Skiing & Snowboarding

Betsy Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 04, 2001 Posts: 1995 Location:Burlington Area, VT	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 1:43 PM GMT Edited: Dec 14, 2007 - 1:43 PM GMT Gary Sadowski says Sunday's storm is going to be a "doozy" (only locals will get that one lol). Upwards of 1.5 feet for now. Winter storm watches are already in effect.

chfriend Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: May 17, 2007 Posts: 421 Location:Central MA	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 1:53 PM GMT The Sat/Sun storm is starting to look icky for everyone except Northern NH and VT, forceast has moved closer to a changover to freezing rain or rain for most of MA and Southern NH on top of 4-8 inches of snow for Central MA. Yuck! I'd rather it be all snow, rain with all of the snow plus a couple more inches is going to bring some massive flooding. __________ Just in case it's not dead yet, keep hitting it with a stick, maybe throw a few rocks at it, urinate on it... You know, the whole ball of wax...

tom durgin Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 23, 2005 Posts: 837 Location:The Upper Valley	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 4:52 PM GMT I've already decided to call Monday a Powder Day. Probably Cannon. Last year I had a total of 27" at my house until the Valentine Day's storm. After last night's snow, I'm just 6" away from tying that - and that's just this month. It sure is shaping up to be a great winter!

PistePipe Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 09, 2003 Posts: 78 Location:	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 9:32 PM GMT It can totally rain at 28 degrees (really freezing rain). That's just the surface temp. It can be much warmer aloft. -J

chfriend Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: May 17, 2007 Posts: 421 Location:Central MA	Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 9:58 PM GMT But then it's freezing rain and not rain... __________ Just in case it's not dead yet, keep hitting it with a stick, maybe throw a few rocks at it, urinate on it... You know, the whole ball of wax...

cms711 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 04, 2003 Posts: 166 Location:Bethlehem, PA	Posted: Dec 15, 2007 - 12:18 AM GMT Looks like the snow amounts are going to depend on how far north the warm air aloft creeps up. Right now it looks like the snow and snow/sleet line will sit just south of the NY/PA border. A lot of the NWS guys are saying a 50 mile shift in the system or warm air either north or south will greatly affect the snowfall amounts, so they've held off giving full numbers right now. However, Binghamton's NWS issued Winter Storm Warning is stating that the entire forecast area is likely to see over a foot of snow with the current storm track. Boy am I excited for this storm! __________ Chris Shumeyko- Lafayette College Ski Team Coach

powderbank Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 07, 2007 Posts: 37 Location:Vermont	Posted: Dec 15, 2007 - 1:26 AM GMT Any guess on totals? Northern VT vs Southern VT? Just in time for the holidays! __________ Vermont Skiing & Snowboarding

lscski Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2004 Posts: 403 Location:Morrisville vt	Posted: Dec 15, 2007 - 8:45 PM GMT 22 Inches at Stowe __________ Praise be to Ullr

skiguy17 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Oct 24, 2007 Posts: 172 Location:Franklin, MA	Posted: Dec 16, 2007 - 3:02 AM GMT I'll say 4 or 5 inches of snow then change to ice and rain for southern worcester/ western norfolk counties. __________ Bruins > NHL

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