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Betsy Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 04, 2001 Posts: 1872 Location:Burlington Area, VT	Posted: Sep 11, 2007 - 8:17 PM GMT Jay update

phreevt Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 06, 2007 Posts: 20 Location:Vermont	Posted: Sep 11, 2007 - 8:23 PM GMT Where is this "cut" the two are accused of cutting....Been to Jay a handful of times....it seems like there is glades in every patch of woods around the resort.....in reference to the the new smuggs glades, it seems if the cooperation decides to annex terrain and clear cut new trails it's ok......if a couple of die hards want to thin some trees out it is destruction of state property....MONEY __________ East Side

moe Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 14, 2003 Posts: 517 Location:Back to MA	Posted: Sep 11, 2007 - 8:26 PM GMT The link to the discussion is here.. Jay Peak illegal cut. __________ Do not drink Pepsi, do not eat M&M's, because they are the tools of Babylon.

marcski Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 14, 2003 Posts: 1768 Location:Westchester Co., N.Y.	Posted: Sep 11, 2007 - 9:36 PM GMT They did a heck of a lot more than just thin some underbrush!

rocket21 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2001 Posts: 6821 Location:USA	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 12:02 AM GMT Maybe I missed this in the original batch of articles, but how did they catch these guys/know they were the ones who did it? __________ NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

trackbiker Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 26, 2004 Posts: 1167 Location:Eastern PA	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 5:06 AM GMT Quote: Maybe I missed this in the original batch of articles, but how did they catch these guys/know they were the ones who did it? I have no first hand experience, but as a reader of many mystery/detective novels, my guess would be that the chain saws could be heard for miles, and they simply waited by the pickup truck on the side of the road with the gas cans in the bed for two "hikers" covered in saw dust and carrying chainsaws to emerge from the woods. To be honest, I think Barney Fife could have caught those two. Well, maybe not Barney, but Dudley Dolittle sure could have!

chfriend Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: May 17, 2007 Posts: 421 Location:Central MA	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 10:52 AM GMT <Southern female voice> "But officers! We weren't cutting any trees with these chainsaws, we were just cutting our hair!" </Southern female voice> __________ Just in case it's not dead yet, keep hitting it with a stick, maybe throw a few rocks at it, urinate on it... You know, the whole ball of wax...

rocket21 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 13, 2001 Posts: 6821 Location:USA	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 11:07 AM GMT Quote: I have no first hand experience, but as a reader of many mystery/detective novels, my guess would be that the chain saws could be heard for miles, and they simply waited by the pickup truck on the side of the road with the gas cans in the bed for two "hikers" covered in saw dust and carrying chainsaws to emerge from the woods. To be honest, I think Barney Fife could have caught those two. Well, maybe not Barney, but Dudley Dolittle sure could have! Ya, but if I'm not mistaken, it wasn't discovered till after it was done __________ NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

rogerjack Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 26, 2007 Posts: 509 Location:	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 11:16 AM GMT IMHO this is typical of the small minded people who determine criminality in Vermont, a bumkin state.

chfriend Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: May 17, 2007 Posts: 421 Location:Central MA	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 11:18 AM GMT __________ Just in case it's not dead yet, keep hitting it with a stick, maybe throw a few rocks at it, urinate on it... You know, the whole ball of wax...

Betsy Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Sep 04, 2001 Posts: 1872 Location:Burlington Area, VT	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 12:46 PM GMT More Info From the Burlington Free Press

bobbutts Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 20, 2006 Posts: 419 Location:Central NH	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 12:57 PM GMT The other thread had some pictures.. They cut a trail! It wasn't just thinning out some brush or something.

DrJeff Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 29, 2002 Posts: 730 Location:	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 1:21 PM GMT The kiss of death from the Burlington Free Press article, to paraphrase, both defendents waived the right to an attorney and have chosen to represent themselves

tom durgin Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 23, 2005 Posts: 832 Location:Newbury Center, VT	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 1:57 PM GMT Quote: IMHO this is typical of the small minded people who determine criminality in Vermont, a bumkin state. Well, you don't have to ski here - there's always a sophisticated state, like New Hampshire or Maine . . . btw, from what non-bumpkin state do you hail?

chfriend Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: May 17, 2007 Posts: 421 Location:Central MA	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 3:09 PM GMT Edited: Sep 12, 2007 - 3:09 PM GMT I'm guessing Massachusetts, but could be wrong... Woo! Hoo! Blue Square baby! __________ Just in case it's not dead yet, keep hitting it with a stick, maybe throw a few rocks at it, urinate on it... You know, the whole ball of wax...

Bill29 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Dec 19, 2002 Posts: 1981 Location:	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 3:56 PM GMT Does anyone know what happens next to that cut? (It's 3,000 feet long and up to 65 feet wide,the story says). Do they let it along to regenerate over many years, plant more trees to help it along, finish the job and add it to the trail system (not bloody likely!)? As someone said earlier, if they are convicted (and they likely will be since, as self-appointed lawyers they have fools for clients) it would be a good idea to have them repair the damage and reforest the cut as much as possible as part of the sentence.

smelick Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Nov 14, 2003 Posts: 1054 Location:	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 5:24 PM GMT Quote: Does anyone know what happens next to that cut? (It's 3,000 feet long and up to 65 feet wide,the story says). Do they let it along to regenerate over many years, plant more trees to help it along, finish the job and add it to the trail system (not bloody likely!)? As someone said earlier, if they are convicted (and they likely will be since, as self-appointed lawyers they have fools for clients) it would be a good idea to have them repair the damage and reforest the cut as much as possible as part of the sentence. I agree. Make them pay a fine that purchases the replacement stock. Give them shovels and make them wear an orange jumpsuit. It's the least they could do. -Scott

photogf128 Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Apr 10, 2004 Posts: 2238 Location:MRV Vermont	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 10:04 PM GMT Quote: IMHO this is typical of the small minded people who determine criminality in Vermont, a bumkin state. How would you like it if someone came over to your property and cut down a bunch of trees. Unreal __________ Skiing is the only sport where you spend an arm and a leg to break an arm and a leg.

treebeard Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Jan 08, 2005 Posts: 589 Location:	Posted: Sep 12, 2007 - 10:53 PM GMT Ok, I'd just like to point out (and please,don't infer that I condone what they did because I certainly do NOT) that what these guys did is no different than what the ski areas do on state owned land. The only difference is that the state didn't get any money for it, nor will they recieve a per diem rate from people that use this cut. Smuggs "new" glades and last years re-working of the upper section off the Sterling lift was in equally sensitive habitat, but they were ok'd by the state. If we are going to be outraged with this little cut on our state owned lands, then we need to take a good look at why big ski companies are allowed to degrade our small towns, their economies and our mountain ecosystems without a second glance. Is it just about money? As far as I know (and I once sat on a panel that decided the use plan for the Mt. Mansfield State Forest so I am familiar with the law) no one or entity, private or commercial, may change the 'nature of the land'. So it's ok to clear cut ski trails for the middle and upper classes with disposable incomes, but residents can't put up wind generators or cut back-country ski trails? What the hell is wrong with this picture!? __________ Embrace that which you fear

telemark Profile \| Galleries Rank: Member Since: Aug 03, 2004 Posts: 153 Location:Arlington, MA	Posted: Sep 13, 2007 - 2:15 AM GMT This cut was done without any apparent knowledge of drainage, avalanche terrain, or erosion. It's going to be a mess for years to come, and it destroyed a perfectly good area of tree skiing by creating a trail where none was needed. It may very well slide as there's nothing to hold snow. There are talks underway to put some drainage, ground cover, and perhaps some signs to mark the area as a revegetation zone. The first two should do some good; I doubt many people will respect that latter, but because of the poor placement of the trail it'll get scraped off quickly. The work is on hold pending some legal decisions.

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