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Mt Snow Report 3-21 & Parabolic skis

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Posted: Mar 22, 2007 - 2:23 PM GMT

Did a day trip to Mount Snow with a friend yesterday. 4 hrs up, 3.5 hrs back. temps at or below freezing all day, no mushy snow, incredible conditions everywhere. Managed to get in 18 lift rides, did at least a dozen named trails/runs I had never been on before.

Highlights:

Natural conditions on Big Dipper were fun, kind of a throwback to skiing in the 70s.

Plummet was groomed, smooth, outstanding.

Overbrook was soft powder bumps. I'm not a bump type guy, but enjoyable just the same.

South Bowl was eerie; perfect conditions (but not side to side) we were the only skiers on it. South Bowl was the only big wide slope we saw that wasn't covered side to side.

Other memorable conditions on PDF, Upper Choke, Mine Shaft, Charlie's Chase, Thanks Walt.

Only ice we encountered was on top part of Upper Exhibition. Saw some icy bumps elsewhere, but weren't on them. Saw a surprising number of people skiing in the woods, much more than usual at Sneaux. Looked up at Ripcord and it was the nastiest I've ever seen it. Iced over mounds 40' long, rocks, ice, gouges...it looked deadly. It was open, but I did not see anyone ski it.

Only downer for me -- and this is really nothing to complain about -- was I tried a pair of Head something or others, 184 cm with a 118-66-102 sidecut, my first time on severely parabolic skis. Absolutely hated them, felt like I was on a corkscrew they were so "turny." Must've made 600 zippy turns on one run. I will say, they carve so well and turn so easily that I can see why some people might like them. Anyway I went back to my car and swapped back to my 192 cm Dynastar 4x4s (107-70-99 or something like that) and had a great day. I got the Heads cheap, so no problem to resell. But before I give up on them -- I can tell it's a well made ski -- any suggestions? Am I doing something wrong? It seems like these skis turn if I merely exhale.
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Posted: Mar 22, 2007 - 2:30 PM GMT
Edited: Mar 22, 2007 - 2:31 PM GMT

Rick, Nice report. Makes me want to get up there. As for your skis, 184s are awfully long for an extreme parabolic; most male skiers should move down into the 168-174 cm range when they switch over. I say should, but for reasons of familiarity (and male pride) tend to stick with skis that actually prove to be too long for the design. Anyway, demo a shorter pair and see what you think. Roger
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Posted: Mar 22, 2007 - 2:44 PM GMT

That's alot of drive time for a day Rick,glad you had a nice bluebird late season jaunt.

Remember demoing a pair of Vipers at the Rosi test center at Vail but that was '98 and the sidecuts weren't anything like todays "fattys", they almost couldn't go straight,constantly trying to turn by themselves.The original 98 K2 fours with the p-device were sweet and loved to run wfo at Breck.

Kind of a Head fan,almost wouldn't mind giving them a shot,my current original 191 Bandits are obsolete "straighties"by todays standards,I could use a nice 184 beefy stick in my collection as I'm on a downward trend,(207,204,200,195,191 and oh my a 184?).

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Posted: Mar 22, 2007 - 3:47 PM GMT

Quote:
Did a day trip to Mount Snow with a friend yesterday. 4 hrs up, 3.5 hrs back. temps at or below freezing all day, no mushy snow, incredible conditions everywhere. Managed to get in 18 lift rides, did at least a dozen named trails/runs I had never been on before.

Highlights:

Natural conditions on Big Dipper were fun, kind of a throwback to skiing in the 70s.

Plummet was groomed, smooth, outstanding.

Overbrook was soft powder bumps. I'm not a bump type guy, but enjoyable just the same.

South Bowl was eerie; perfect conditions (but not side to side) we were the only skiers on it. South Bowl was the only big wide slope we saw that wasn't covered side to side.

Other memorable conditions on PDF, Upper Choke, Mine Shaft, Charlie's Chase, Thanks Walt.

Only ice we encountered was on top part of Upper Exhibition. Saw some icy bumps elsewhere, but weren't on them. Saw a surprising number of people skiing in the woods, much more than usual at Sneaux. Looked up at Ripcord and it was the nastiest I've ever seen it. Iced over mounds 40' long, rocks, ice, gouges...it looked deadly. It was open, but I did not see anyone ski it.

Only downer for me -- and this is really nothing to complain about -- was I tried a pair of Head something or others, 184 cm with a 118-66-102 sidecut, my first time on severely parabolic skis. Absolutely hated them, felt like I was on a corkscrew they were so "turny." Must've made 600 zippy turns on one run. I will say, they carve so well and turn so easily that I can see why some people might like them. Anyway I went back to my car and swapped back to my 192 cm Dynastar 4x4s (107-70-99 or something like that) and had a great day. I got the Heads cheap, so no problem to resell. But before I give up on them -- I can tell it's a well made ski -- any suggestions? Am I doing something wrong? It seems like these skis turn if I merely exhale.



Are you a "knees locked together" or a "knees apart" skier??

I'm on a pair of 172cm Atomic B5 metrons (131-76-115) at 6'3" and 225lbs. Shoulder width apart and rolling onto the edges using legs/knees, and all of the Mt Snow trails you mentioned become my playground each and every weekend. Monster edge grip, and some serious g-force turns can be made with the proper technique. Old school, knees together and those monster tips want to just chatter together and give an unstable ride.
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Posted: Mar 22, 2007 - 6:26 PM GMT

As for your skis, 184s are awfully long for an extreme parabolic; most male skiers should move down into the 168-174 cm range when they switch over. I say should, but for reasons of familiarity (and male pride) tend to stick with skis that actually prove to be too long for the design. Anyway, demo a shorter pair and see what you think. Roger




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Posted: Mar 22, 2007 - 6:42 PM GMT

rick, i see you like the 4x4s. give the dynastar legend 8800 in a 178 a rip, i think you'll appreciate the lack of sidecut or turn-i-ness but still work the smaller length easy enough. that ski you tried has a huge sidecut, i like turny skis but that would be too much even for my liking.

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Posted: Mar 22, 2007 - 7:28 PM GMT

South Bowl is a weird extremely wide double fall line trail. The higher portion of the trail gets extremely wind blown and doesn't hold snow. I recently heard a rumor they want to plant trees again....make it into 2 trails in order to alleviate some of the snow issues.....I'd love to see another lift go up in that area.
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Posted: Mar 22, 2007 - 8:16 PM GMT
Edited: Mar 22, 2007 - 8:17 PM GMT

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South Bowl is a weird extremely wide double fall line trail. The higher portion of the trail gets extremely wind blown and doesn't hold snow. I recently heard a rumor they want to plant trees again....make it into 2 trails in order to alleviate some of the snow issues.....I'd love to see another lift go up in that area.


A new lift to replace Sundance would be sweet once they get some more pipes on the area...

South Bowl into two trails would be nice, cut down the growth on the other section at the top... or just replant on skier's right since they don't cover that far anyway. Would help with the wind...

That trail is usually empty and had some of the best snow on the mountain this year. Yes it is eerie... cruising down through that huge bowl by yourself. great trail... I remember running a Super-G down there as a J3 a long time ago.

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Posted: Mar 22, 2007 - 9:59 PM GMT

Shape Skiis - I feel your pain! For years I skiied on 205's ect. and about 5 years ago I purchased a Rossi Viper x with a length of 188. It was shape ski, but not like todays shape skiis. they were good on hardpack and packed powder. They were ot that good when it came to powder,loose powder and spring skiing. this year when I was ready to move on I visited the ski shop at Mt.Snow and decided to demo a few skiis. They let you demo as many skiis as you want. Not only do they deduct the demo fee if you buy a pair,they let you demo for three days. The skiis selectio0n for demos include many brands,lengths and models.This really helped me decide waht to buy. I tried out 12 pairs.I found that this was a great way to choose a ski.I had almost bought a new pair back home using the usual methods-magazine articles, friends advice, local ski shop advice ect.the shops at home offer a demo deal as well, but you can only take one pair out to the mountain and you have nothing to compare the ski with.I would never again buy a pair of skiis without an extensive demo session.As far a the latest shape skiis- the one that I purchased is the best ski I have owned yet. It is a really good all mountain ski that works well under a very wide range of conditions and terrain! I was thinking about a 178, but found out the 170 worked alot better. If I didn't demo like this,I would have ended up making a bad choice.
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Posted: Mar 23, 2007 - 12:03 AM GMT

Ha! Same story here...my first shaped skis were Vipers. I enjoyed them, but found them to be a bit much for me. They were great for making big long fast GS turns, but I had to work to make a lot of short radius turns. They did one thing, however...they taught me how to ski a shaped ski. This year I demoed a bunch of skis at a ski area and ended up purchasing some short 153cm ladies' skis, K2 Lotta Luvs. The thing is, you need to play around on the parabolics, and learn how to ski them. You'll never want to go back, once you catch on...but it takes some time to just trust the skis to do what they're supposed to...and not fight them with your old habits.
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Posted: Mar 23, 2007 - 12:43 AM GMT

Shape skiis -here are a few more facts to check on. 1.Make sure the turning radius of the ski fits in with your style.The same ski will have a different turning radius for each given length. 3. Some of the wider skiis now have a turning radius that makes them turn quick.(12 to14 range).4.A wider waist will work better when you leave the groomers.My ski is a 123-78-108 with a turning radius of 14.2. I can't say enough about a wider ski with a decent turning radius!The ski shop folks said that this configuration seemed to be the latest set up for all mountain eastern skiing. And yes, they also took me about a day to adjust to, but no big deal!
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Posted: Mar 23, 2007 - 3:22 AM GMT

thanks for all the suggestions and tips. greatly appreciated!

My first shaped skis were Vipers too, 198s and barely shaped. I went to Fischer All Trax 193s, which I liked better, but the 4x4s are light years better (for my tastes). The turning radius on these new (to me) Heads is 15, am just not used to that. May try them again next weekend, try and let them run. Thanks again.

FWIW, my style is best described as "advanced hack"



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