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Posted: Feb 02, 2007 - 7:11 PM GMT

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Photog,how many feet are we looking at from the ground in your pic?I know the first time I got into the "cattle stall" I was so psyched out after reading the warning getting on the lift that by the time I completed the Rendevous Bowl and the Hobacks I thought I was a pretty decent skier.
Skipatrol40,being on that tram is one of the few times I enjoy being 6'8",being able to look "over" the "cattle"and looking into the mouth of Corbets,it's too bad I also had to absorb the "stench"!Glad I didn't know anything about that hole in the floor!
Sunday I fly to JH. I will miss the stench on th tram this year. The new tram will carry almost twice the number of people. Someone may want to figure out the stench increase factor of 50 people in a box compared to 100 people in a box. Does that make the stench increase by 2x or 3x? Being 6' 8" may also increase the stench factor compared to someone 5' 2".

BTW there are stories of Tram doors opening up unexpectedly.
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Posted: Feb 02, 2007 - 8:17 PM GMT

I have to go with Millicent. Bad enough without a bar.

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Posted: Feb 02, 2007 - 8:49 PM GMT
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The Summit lift at Solitude, Utah, passes over a fairly deep ravine - similar to that of the Millicent lift at neighboring Brighton. But the Summit chair, at the very least, has a "safety" bar - many lifts at Solitude and other Utah resorts don't have such accoutrements, as they're not required by law in Utah.

The Snowbird tram, while not as high up as similar setups at Jackson Hole, Squaw Valley, or many European locations, is quite a harrowing ride in windy situations. I've been in a tram car when it smacked into a lift tower - white-knuckle all the way, with the tram driver trying his best to avoid the tower strike.

The since-retired gondola at Park City Mountain Resort had a stretch that went about 200 feet above the Treasure Hollow run - and was quite the sketchy ride in a high-wind situation.

The old Grand Motte gondola at Tignes, France, had a bit that was very high above the ground - at least 150 feet. And the time I rode it (summer of 1990 for a ski racing camp), one of the members of our group (who was a local) jimmied open the door, so we took turns riding the gondola, feet dangling out, over the high point. Call it a cocksure, teenage attitude, but man, was that stupid. The gondola has since been replaced by an underground funicular, which is faster and less affected by winds.

I never had a chance to ride the now-demolished Bridal Veil Falls tram in Provo Canyon, Utah, which was the steepest tramline in North America, featuring a long stretch between the base station and the top, with no towers in between. It was destroyed by an avalanche about 8 years back, and hasn't been rebuilt.

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Posted: Feb 02, 2007 - 9:07 PM GMT

SkiPatrol40s-have a great time at the'Hole,wish I could join you.Have fun riding those chairs up to the Cabin.I'll wait a couple years til the new Tram is up and running,maybe by that time the ratio will be divulged and I'll know how close I have to be to a window.That way I'll already be in position when they open the new,improved trap door!

All kindin' aside,take an extra run through the Hobacks for me,I had one of the best runs of my life all by my lonesome in some vast terrain there.(did they put in a short chair or is the rope still going at the bottom of the Hobacks?)Will never forget the patrol sweeping and yelling from a hundred yards away not seeing me enjoy my flask.

Are you gonna huck Corbets? Go OB?Play it safe,have an extra one at the mangy moose for me,we'll be looking forward to your trip report!

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Posted: Feb 02, 2007 - 10:09 PM GMT

Anyone ever been on the Aspen Mountain Gondola? That thing when it passes over Copper Bowl is way up there. Thinking back I believe the new Quad on Loges Peak at Highlands is a little to the left of the old double and closer to the ground. I know alot of people have mentioned Millicent at Brighton but that lift doesn't bother me that much. I remember one of the Trams at Kitzbule Austria was pretty scary. I was riding it down hill at the front window looking down.

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Posted: Feb 02, 2007 - 10:25 PM GMT

Alex,yes have been on the Ajax express,silver queen back in 95 but don't remember the ravine as well as the exhibition lift or summit at the Highlands as mentioned earlier in the thread.What I do remember at Ajax is falling into a small treewell and taking who knows how much time digging my way out of there,.and then there were the mink coats!

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Posted: Feb 02, 2007 - 11:47 PM GMT

Pretty sure this is woodcore's photo:

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Posted: Feb 03, 2007 - 12:47 AM GMT
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Photog,how many feet are we looking at from the ground in your pic?I know the first time I got into the "cattle stall" I was so psyched out after reading the warning getting on the lift that by the time I completed the Rendevous Bowl and the Hobacks I thought I was a pretty decent skier.
Skipatrol40,being on that tram is one of the few times I enjoy being 6'8",being able to look "over" the "cattle"and looking into the mouth of Corbets,it's too bad I also had to absorb the "stench"!Glad I didn't know anything about that hole in the floor!


To be honest I'm not all that sure. Kinda funny since I have stood right under as it passes overhead after getting off the Thunder Chair a zillion times. I'm going to say 90-120ft .

Skipatrol don't forget your laser ruler, curious how off I am, probably alot.
Last I heard it was still online, running and used by ski patrol and others.
Bring your letter and your jacket/stuff you might be able to relive the stench was again.

he pic is taken from the bottom of Cirque Bowl with a wide angle lens so it looks higher in relation to the ground than it is. Don't know about the hole as we timed it so we were as near to the exit door as possible meaning the cabin was pretty full when we got on. The doors have definately opened unexpectingly, the only thing I worry about if I am right up against it.

I can definately confirm the stench thing.... All those mexican restaurants

The ski patrol is a crazy bunch, several are good friends. Every morning before most people are awake they get together in the "boom-boom" room and put together hand charges for ava management.

Here is a pic of the Avalauncher they use and the ordanants. It's pointed just above where I took the tram photo. Pretty crazy stuff.

You and Sled would probably love it. : Sled would feel right at home in Wyoming as every town is basically 100 miles apart, no short drives in that state.

Skipatrol, looking forward to your TR, have fun.




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Posted: Feb 03, 2007 - 3:29 AM GMT
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All kindin' aside,take an extra run through the Hobacks for me,I had one of the best runs of my life all by my lonesome in some vast terrain there.(did they put in a short chair or is the rope still going at the bottom of the Hobacks?)Will never forget the patrol sweeping and yelling from a hundred yards away not seeing me enjoy my flask.

Are you gonna huck Corbets? Go OB?Play it safe,have an extra one at the mangy moose for me,we'll be looking forward to your trip report!
ciscokid, Hobacks is always in the plan. They have a fixed grip quad at the bottom of the Hobbacks called the Union Pass lift. It will be a challenge I think to find some soft snow in the shadows on skiers left of the hobback ridges. Right now the cooler (Corbets) , alta chutes, tower 3, and expert chutes are all closed. Usually dog face is one of the trails that gets closed but it is currently listed as opened. It should be interesting doing laps on Randevous bowl with the new east ridge traverse double chair. The thing about JH is no matter how many times you go there you can always find new lines you have not skied before. Given the conditions I may spend more time this year exploring casper bowl, crags, and moran woods. I don't usually get over there much. The Saratoga bowl you got to watch out for the moose poop. I have come real close to skiing in that crap. Always something different. We may get over to Grand Targhee for a day. Have to see what the weather is like.
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Posted: Feb 03, 2007 - 3:03 PM GMT

Photog,I thought the war was in Iraq!No really that's quite the pistol.I'm sure after living there for so many years a part of your soul is still at the 'Hole as is mine.There's just something about those three T's and the snake that let's me know I'm in the cowboy west.

SkiPatrol40,with your line itinerary,we know what kind of skier you are,for me anything close to a double black at the 'Hole is now beyond my ability.Just getting safely down the minefields below Corbets was enough for me and that was seven years back,but the memory is still fresh as are the photos taken.Have a great SAFE trip!

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Posted: Feb 03, 2007 - 6:19 PM GMT

amazing jackson hole pic! regards////brian o

ps/my dad skied there in the 80s...he said it was steep as hell everywhere he went! brian o

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