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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 8:19 PM GMT
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In a previous thread, the reliability of HS Quads was discussed. It brought me to think, which lift at what area is the most important to their everyday operation. If this lift broke down, a good portion of the mountain would be inaccessable. You would have to say,"without the _____ lift running today, its not even worth skiing here"

I guess i would say for starters, the Summit Express at Pico. I do not believe you can access the summit, or >50% of the terrain.

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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 8:29 PM GMT

The quad at Wildcat, with that down, it definately cuts out the top 1/3 and a decent chunk of the right 1/2 of the mtn when looking up from the base.
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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 8:45 PM GMT

The single chair at Mad River Glen! The double chair has some good terrain under it, but it just isn't the same....
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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 8:55 PM GMT

I haven't skied Hunter Mtn since their HS Quad was installed in the late eighties(I don't think they have put any others in since)but if that lift were inoperable I can just imagine the verbage going on at the base.(and the lines)There are many small to midsize ski areas who put alot of their eggs in one basket(or in this case chairlift)and when there is a problem with it will have a tough time satisfying the customer.I don't know what would be my worst fear as a manager of one of these areas,lift failure with 100% open terrain inaccessable,or fully operational lifts with few trails open/crowded.Either way it's a lose/lose situation.Like alot of other businesses,the bigger you are with more to offer the customer(open skiable terrain,# of lifts to a
ccess)the better chance of them getting the business.(in most cases)Your right NJSki,without the Crystal Clipper(Crystal mt) or the 6 pack at Boyne,I don't know if it would be worth the drive and price of admission.

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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 9:28 PM GMT

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I haven't skied Hunter Mtn since their HS Quad was installed in the late eighties(I don't think they have put any others in since)but if that lift were inoperable I can just imagine the verbage going on at the base.(and the lines)


It does get ugly...
But we take the D Lift and F Lift to get to the top..
If that fails - But we catch rides over to the west side and ride the Z and Y chairs


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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 9:39 PM GMT

Too bad this isn't a purely theoretical thread this year!

We have seen first hand:

- The loss (due to mechanical problems and management issues) of the six-pack has done for Ragged (2 trails open all year until it reopened this week); and
- The loss (due to mechanical issues and management decisions) of the Hornet double at Tenney (closed the area down for the year).

I guess we can also count the (management issue based) loss until last week of the double chair (which needs a special name, by the way) at Blue Hills, which leaves all but the bunny slope closed.
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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 9:40 PM GMT

T-Bar #1 at Bobcat

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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 9:43 PM GMT
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A few come to mind for me:

Whaleback's Double chair: Kind of screwed if that's not up and running.
Sugarbush's GMX: All of the upper mountain is gone at Mount Ellen when that's down, although you do have Lincoln Peak.
Willoughby Quad - Burke Mountain: The Poma can service a lot, but half of the terrain does rely heavily on the operation of the Willoughby lift.
Six-Pack - Ragged Mountain: This services basically all main mountain terrain. The Northeast Double is still there, but from what I understand is not in proper functioning order.

There are others that would be "limping" if their main lift went down, but many ski areas have a rudimentary backup plan to get people up the mountain by using either another lift or series of lifts.

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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 9:55 PM GMT

GMX can be bypassed by Inverness to North Ridge. You lose FIS , Rim Run and Black Diamond, but the rest is reachable. It does make for a long trip, though, and if GMX is down, it is likely due to wind, so NR is also iffy.
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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 10:17 PM GMT

How about that chair that went down at Squaw up in Maine?
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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 10:40 PM GMT

i was going to second burke's willoughby quad, but the poma goes up 3/4 of the mountain and is faster than the quad. i disagree with wildcat, the triple accesses 2/3 of the mountain which are the better two thirds of the mountain any ways (less wind blown and scraped groomers down low). also disagree with the single, the double is more than enough on a weekend. you don't get paradise, fall line, or chute, but you still have some VERY respectable terrain to pick from. i imagine smuggs shutting down the madonna lift would be a blow but they still have the spruce lift. ragged's six pack is a good nomination. tenney's summit chair is another cripple issue.

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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 10:41 PM GMT

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No joke. I have been there when it went down for an hour or so and it was tragic. Espicially at a mountain that does not sell beer.
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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 11:07 PM GMT

I remember a few years ago (maybe the 04/05 season?) when Cranmore's HS Quad went down for a week or so. Although no trails were deemed inaccessable becasue of the Summit Triple that was still operating, it sure did slow things down quite a bit.
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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 11:21 PM GMT

Madonna 1 at Smuggs.
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Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 11:55 PM GMT

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The single chair at Mad River Glen! The double chair has some good terrain under it, but it just isn't the same....


Amen

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Posted: Jan 31, 2007 - 12:34 AM GMT

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Wow....was expecting a Bearpen plug.

Service to Bearpen slopes temporarily suspended due to flat front tire on ATV

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Madonna 1 at Smuggs.


Was thinking the same thing at first, but Sterling will still offer a good amount of terrain and there's always Madonna II, albeit not to the summit, but still offering decent terrain (still a way to get up 3/4 when Madonna I is on wind hold).

Pico's Summit Express as mentioned earlier would definately be a kick in the pants.

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Posted: Jan 31, 2007 - 1:53 AM GMT

Single at MRG.

Collins at Alta

Definitely the T Bar at Bobcat, the last two times I've been there its gone down, but riding the beginner T Bar though has some good terrain, there are even some tree shots to be had if you know where to look.
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Posted: Jan 31, 2007 - 2:07 AM GMT
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GMX can be bypassed by Inverness to North Ridge. You lose FIS , Rim Run and Black Diamond, but the rest is reachable. It does make for a long trip, though, and if GMX is down, it is likely due to wind, so NR is also iffy.



Actually, you don't lose FIS and Rim Run. The Summit Quad is accessible from the Northridge Quad. Sugarbush overall has a great layout from a lift standpoint. We discussed Mt. Ellen. But at Lincoln Peak, if Sugar Bravo is down, you can get to Castlerock and Heavens Gate via the Valley House Double. You can also get to Castlerock from the Gate House Quad and then make your way over to Heavens Gate. Totally agree with the wind hold issue.


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Posted: Jan 31, 2007 - 2:08 AM GMT

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The quad at Wildcat, with that down, it definately cuts out the top 1/3 and a decent chunk of the right 1/2 of the mtn when looking up from the base.

It;s really not too much off. Just a few runs. You can still acess some of the best terrain... and one of my best days at Wildcat (conditions) has been with the HSQ not running because the triple isn't as fast so not as many people want to ski... you see where this is going.



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Posted: Jan 31, 2007 - 2:26 AM GMT
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A few come to mind for me:

Sugarbush's GMX: All of the upper mountain is gone at Mount Ellen when that's down, although you do have Lincoln Peak.


Nope - as noted by others above, but you're on the right path...

....as the Sugar Bravo Express or whatever it's called at Lincoln peak is the only easy access to the Heaven's Gate chair to the summit. Close that lift and it's a real pain to get to anything on the main mountain. As noted abouve, you CAN still get to Heaven's Gate from the Valley House lift on the "Reverse Traverse" but that will include a few significant stretches of shuss/poling/x-country skiing to get over to it. In addition, Valley House is an ancient double, and an enormous circa 1969 line would build on that thing in no time if the Sugar Bravo was down. Sugar Bravo going down is a legitimate nightmare, I'm afraid...

By contrast Inverness is a quad, and the run over to Northridge is a basic run-out without any need to pole or skate, and it dumps you out onto the nice hill that ends North Star. You can still access every trail on the lower mountain once you get up to the top of Northridge.



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