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  • What did Sugarloaf pay for that Dopp terminal last year? 600k ??
  • That is frightening....sell for scrap
  • obienick said:

    Yup. This instills massive confidence:


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  • Lol! Someone needs to get ahold of Gandolf to kick Grima Wormtongue out of Magic, so it'll come back to life! 
    ;))
  • Lol! Someone needs to get ahold of Gandolf to kick Grima Wormtongue out of Magic, so it'll come back to life! 
    ;))




    I am sure King Hathaway will summon "Gandolf the Rusty Grommer" to vanquish Grima Wormtongue forever, and Elfin "Do Work" will resurrect all lifts to run for all eternity.....

    (Sorry to mix/match AZ names on SJ)

  • edited September 2016
    Just to be clear, I'm not putting down Magic, I ski it annually with Trackbiker and thoroughly enjoy it.  It's just those lifts remind me of the machinery you'd find in Isingard or Mordor.  I think they used the missing parts from that one photo for the siege at Helm's Deep!

  • Got this in the email, not sure what the roadblocks are/were but in the case of Magic it's almost surprising there aren't more problems...

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    Greetings from Londonderry Vermont. 

    Our 3rd Volunteer Day is scheduled for tomorrow and afterwards there will be Magic’s yearly Ullrfest gathering as sacrifices will be made for a snow-filled winter!

    I wanted to communicate with our friends and customers on the status of the ski area purchase by our SKI MAGIC LLC investor group.

    As alluded to in the last update two weeks ago, there have been some Due Diligence issues that we have been working through which has delayed the closing on the purchase of Magic by our investor group. A lot has been accomplished since then to resolve the issues before us.

    The situation involved some permitting concerns but we have worked closely with the State of Vermont and we have a viable path forward. The important news is that Magic will be open this year and our transaction will be going through with the current ownership. We appreciate the cooperation of the state agencies, local and state elected officials, and current owners in working through these critical issues impacting the future of Magic.

    Obviously time is ticking on the new season (snow is even in the forecast!), and we have much work to do for opening by December 17th. We will do the best we can in the limited time we have. There’s lift repair and maintenance as well as snowmaking repair and improvements which have, and will, capture much of our time and capital near-term. While Magic will not be perfect. Magic will be better. And, we have some dedicated future SKI MAGIC employees who have contributed, literally, a lot of time and effort already.

    Season passes will go on sale immediately when we close on the transaction which is most likely to occur the week of October 31st. There are some new products designed to make skiing more affordable and accessible, so be sure to check them out. A new work-in-progress website will accompany our launch of these products as well.

    In closing, thanks for your patience, and thank you for being a part of Magic’s incredible community and an important part of our future. Back to you soon when the purchase goes through!
    - Geoff

  • What kind of permits do they need to get? New ownership wanting to restore the creek pump and/or fix the snowmaking pond?
  • Rick, the post on NESH says they are painting lifts, so it should look a little nicer this season.
    ISNE-I Skied New England | NESAP-the New England Ski Area Project | SOSA-Saving Our Ski Areas - Location SW of Boston MA
  • obienick said:

    What kind of permits do they need to get? New ownership wanting to restore the creek pump and/or fix the snowmaking pond?

    Pretty close, has to do with the pond and some remediation that needs to be done. The remediation was generally agreed, but they had to work out an arrangement where the required work could be deferred until the Spring as there is no time to do it pre-freeze. Otherwise no deal, no Magic this winter.The latest Alpine Update shown above indicates that they have agreement and, pending a couple nit items, can now go to closing. This is really good news. From what I have seen in person (volunteer day #2 and a couple of hikes), heard via the grapevine and seen on social media, they have really accomplished a lot with very little time and, technically, without owning the mountain. If there really is a ULLR, then it should be a great season.
  • MAGIC OWNERS COMPLETE PURCHASE, SET PLAN

    SAM Magazine— Londonderry, Vt., Nov. 23, 2016—Having been through its fair share of ownerships and plenty of uncertainty about the future, Vermont’s Magic Mountain has begun a new chapter. Ski Magic LLC, a magicmountain emailsizelocally based ownership and operating group, completed its acquisition of the classic New England ski area Tuesday, and plans to make immediate improvements.

    “While the late closing of the purchase puts us a bit behind the 8-ball prepping for the new season, we’ve already made significant progress on lift repairs, snowmaking upgrades, and trail and glade clearing,” said Ski Magic president Geoff Hatheway. “Along with our large volunteer corps and soon-to-be employees pitching in, Magic will be open come December 17, better than ever.”

    The new owners plan to execute a series of capital improvement projects over the next several years designed to improve the quality, efficiency, and consistency of Magic’s product and operating profile. This includes more than $2 million for snowmaking efficiency and expansion, better lift reliability, a new lower-mountain lift, and a better learn-to-ski environment to help attract young families.

    The new operators will work with the state of Vermont on expanding access to water so the area can boost snowmaking coverage to 50 percent of its terrain. New low-energy snow guns have already been ordered for this winter.

    “Magic has been one of Vermont’s best kept secrets,” said Hatheway. “But it’s time to let a few more people know about this alternative, some say ‘counter-cultural,’ ski experience, which harkens back to an era when Vermont skiing originally began to take off.”

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  • edited November 2016
    Hope the best

    What's the new lower mountain lift?

    Remember the Freedom pass gives you 3 days at Magic
  • edited November 2016
    ciscokid said:

    Hope the best

    What's the new lower mountain lift?

    As far as I know Its a proposal. Would go to the top of Wand or thereabouts. On Skiers right.
    http://www.snowjournal.com/discussion/931/new-magic-mountain-trail-map#latest
    ISNE-I Skied New England | NESAP-the New England Ski Area Project | SOSA-Saving Our Ski Areas - Location SW of Boston MA
  • It's not the Green/Phoenix.  That lift is far far too gone for any sensible use.  It's the return of the Little Chair.
  • obienick said:

    It's not the Green/Phoenix.  That lift is far far too gone for any sensible use.  It's the return of the Little Chair.

    Actually I believe this is referring to the Green/Phoenix lift. The crew that is repairing Red and Black believes they can get the Phoenix lift running without massive expense. Apparently looks can be deceiving! I also heard there are available spare parts etc. We'll see.
  • Except for the Black chair little specifics:

    WITH SALE
    COMPLETE, MAGIC MOUNTAIN COMES BACK TO LIFE

    NOV.
    28, 2016, 3:22 PM BY BENNINGTON BANNER LEAVE A COMMENT

     (This story is by Makayla McGeeney, of the
    Bennington Banner, in which it was first published.)

    LONDONDERRY — It’s been an
    uphill climb, but now it’s all downhill.

    With the
    sale of Magic Mountain Ski Area completed last week, it is scheduled to open
    Dec. 17 after being unoccupied since March.

    A group
    of 16 investors, friends who grew up skiing together on Magic and around
    southern Vermont, make up Ski Magic LLC. The group made an offer to Magic
    Mountain Management in April. The sale was postponed several times but closed
    Nov. 21, according to a news release.

    Ski Magic
    President Geoff Hatheway is working on repairing the ski lifts, doubling the
    amount of snowmaking and become a more consistent business. Referring to that
    last goal, he said inconsistency has made people think the mountain has been
    closed over the last few years.

    “People
    don’t even know that Magic has made snow in the past. Well, it does,” he said.
    “It has for many years, but it’s just been very inconsistent because of
    operating budgets or lack of investment in terms of how many trails you can
    cover.”

    Investing
    in the pump house, utilizing the latest snow gun technology for greater
    efficiency and repairing pipes that were laid in the 1980s are top priorities.
    The chair lifts have been undergoing repair to be up to code. There are two
    bottom-to-summit lifts — the red one with two-person chairs and the black one
    with three-person chairs — and two surface lifts for the tubing park.

    Hatheway
    hopes to improve the area for beginner skiers by extending the tow handle. The
    terrain park will be expanded and a conveyor lift may be added next year.

    He said
    he’s gotten to know the mountain’s operations from the inside over the last few
    years by serving as the former marketing director.

    In
    Hatheway’s five-year business plan, he said he hopes to build the skier base
    from 20,000 visitors per year to 36,000 by accommodating 1 percent of southern
    Vermont’s market — roughly 1.7 million visits in a good year.

    “If we’re
    at that level, the mountain isn’t crowded still, so the ski experience is still
    what we want it to be,” he said. “Nice open trails, freedom, you’re not worried
    about running into another skier. But yet, provides the revenue for us to be
    profitable on a very consistent basis. We’re able to either put more money back
    into the mountain for further improvements down the road or return money back
    to the investors. We’re going to run this like a business, but one with a very
    special character.”

    About 50
    percent of Magic’s employees will return after being laid off in the spring,
    and the others are new — consisting of community members or folks from southern
    Vermont, Hatheway said.

    “People
    know that Magic has an unbelievable terrain area. If we can prove that we can
    be consistently open earlier, with more snowmaking on more trails, great
    grooming, combined with the raw terrain and the glades that we have and the
    steepness that we have, it really creates a special, unique place to visit,” he
    said.

    The
    purchase agreement included a provision that the previous owners perform repair
    work during the due diligence phase, which included work on the 5,000-foot-long
    black triple chair. It had not been operated for the last two years due to
    insufficient money, Hatheway said.

    Magic
    Mountain, spanning about 700 acres, was founded by Swiss ski instructor Hans
    Thorner in 1960. It formed the “Golden Triangle” in the 1960s and 1970s along
    with Stratton and Bromley mountains. Magic was bought by Bromley in the 1980s,
    later shut down by the real estate market downtown, and then re-emerged circa
    1997.

  • edited November 2016
    I just bought a ticket to Magic which can be used any time this season. Hopefully it will be a good year for them.
    - Sam
  • edited November 2016
    "improve the area for beginner skiers by extending the tow handle"

    That's not going to help. There's a reason why so few areas -- quite possibly only Magic and Squaw -- have a handle tow and nearly every area has a segregated beginner pod, the "bunny slope".  Beginner skiers simply don't have the stamina to ski 1500 vertical in one run, even with breaks. Kids don't have the mental capacity to sit still for 13+ minutes to the top.  And tows aren't the easiest to ride.  I think priority #1 -- even before snowmaking -- is bringing back the Little Chair and developing a good learn to ski program.  They will piss a good % of the market share away simply because they lack these vital facilities to growth.
  • edited November 2016
    It doesn't get any easier than a handle tow for kids to use besides a carpet and they get very pricey at those lengths. It's a good interim solution.

    Snowmaking #1. Beginner terrain #2.

    With the VSDs on the pumps, pipe repairs, and the new ground guns they will be well on their way to stabilizing #1 this year.
  • I might have missed something, are these new drives for the pumps they are putting in?
  • obienick said:

    "improve the area for beginner skiers by extending the tow handle"


    That's not going to help. There's a reason why so few areas -- quite possibly only Magic and Squaw -- have a handle tow and nearly every area has a segregated beginner pod, the "bunny slope".  Beginner skiers simply don't have the stamina to ski 1500 vertical in one run, even with breaks. Kids don't have the mental capacity to sit still for 13+ minutes to the top.  And tows aren't the easiest to ride.  I think priority #1 -- even before snowmaking -- is bringing back the Little Chair and developing a good learn to ski program.  They will piss a good % of the market share away simply because they lack these vital facilities to growth.
    The handle tow comment is a misquote from what I know. The plan for the beginner area next year is a magic carpet. The tow might then be used for a dedicated terrain park. The other thing being considered is to complete the Green/Phoenix/Mid-mountain lift so beginners don't have to go to the top (added benefit of early season opening and use by ski teams racing on Show Off).
  • edited November 2016
    obienick said:

    I might have missed something, are these new drives for the pumps they are putting in?

    They're VSDs for their existing pumps.

    That would be something to see the Green lift finished.
  • newpylong said:

    obienick said:

    I might have missed something, are these new drives for the pumps they are putting in?

    They're VSDs for their existing pumps.

    That would be something to see the Green lift finished.
    Huge electrical savings when installing VFDs on old pumps. Instead of running flat out, they can modulate based on actual demand of the system. This should free up $$$ for other upgrades.
  • edited November 2016
    They are more beneficial to larger areas that frequently resurface. Places like Magic by nature are going to go all out laying base and then pretty much be done unless there is a large recovery event. 250 HP VSDs for a typical 600-1000 GPM pump are in the $15-25K range. I would have spent the money somewhere else but over the long haul they should provide payback, eventually. They have a sound plan they must show decent payback in their models or they wouldn't have done it.
  • Magic carpets are at about $80K on the used market.

    But, now is a good time to try and find them since they have been around for awhile now and are atarting to come up on the used market as areas upgrade.
  • edited December 2016









    Welcome to the NEW, but still RETRO, Magic.
    Thanks to all for their support of the purchase of this iconic throwback ski area gem by SKI MAGIC LLC just two weeks ago.
    We
    have a big week ahead to determine if we can get open by December
    17th, as we'd like to do. STEP 1: Snowmaking. New snowmaking machines
    were installed on the mountain--HKD Impulse 30' towers on all of
    Talisman steeps and on strategic locations at Trick/Magic Carpet
    intersection and Medium/Magic Carpet intersection! Then Monday-Thursday
    we will be installing new and refurbished pump motors in our main Pump
    House to give Magic more long-term snowmaking horsepower while
    connecting our new Variable Frequency Drives to improve the efficiency
    and control of our horsepower/water output. Our lake pump and new
    motor/VFD will also be installed this week. So significant capital
    investment in upgrading the snowmaking system should be ready for
    testing and then production by late week. That will gives about a week
    if we get cold temps (looking good right now) to get Magic a way down
    from the top. Hopefully mother-nature gives us an assist there with
    natural snow as well.
    STEP
    2: Lifts. Our work-horse Red Chair Lift has been undergoing
    maintenance for weeks and had its final line check last week prior to
    state inspection. Because of the diligence of our efforts, we found two
    assemblies that need to be repaired. Parts were quickly ordered for
    manufacture over this weekend and will be air-freighted overnight from
    the west coast Monday arriving here Tuesday. Every day counts with
    Opening Day on the 17th so no expense is being spared and if all goes
    well the Red Chair should be ready if snowmaking and weather cooperate.
    Now, the extra work on Red Chair this week, means that Black Chair work
    gets pushed back a bit. Still working to have it ready before the end
    of December.
    We
    will continue to keep you posted, but every one at SKI MAGIC is
    busting their behinds to get this special ski area open as early as
    possible without sacrificing our commitment to safety and doing things
    right--no shortcuts! In addition, much work is being done on the
    lodge, so you may see some changes when you get here! To read more about the purchase by our SKI MAGIC group, click "Read More".
    Really stoked for Magic! - Geoff







  • Amazing amount of work done, but also a ton to do in the next 10 days. Hope things fall into place and there are no (more) unexpected set backs.
  • If it take them a couple extra days, so be it. Sounds like no matter what, they'll be standing about where they want to be by the time Christmas gets here.
  • Black Chair passed load testing as a double yesterday. Further inspections are taking place today and results should be announced soon.
    - Sam
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