Eastern Snowmaking Fall 2017

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  • lotsoskiinglotsoskiing expert
    Posts: 922

    This season's openings look like they will break the norm, as Bretton Woods is set up to be the second area open in New England instead of Sunday River.

    yep, open today with 1 trail. Very cool. Nice dusting of snow in CVT this morning...curbing the enthusiasm, but it does get the blood pumping.
  • RemskiRemski advanced
    Posts: 381
    Any ski area not taking advantage of this weather is just plain STUPID!!! Even if they don’t intend to open they should still pileup some whales on the shade side of their trails!
  • lotsoskiinglotsoskiing expert
    Posts: 922
    Curious if this could be a record (at least in recent years) for # of areas open 2 weekends before Thanksgiving? Anyone have any stats? I'm seeing 7 in NE: Killington, Mt Snow, Okemo, SR, BW, Wildcat, Sugarloaf (Sunday). Others?
  • DrJeffDrJeff advanced
    edited November 2017 Posts: 332



    sugarloaf said:


    sugarloaf said:


    Curious if this could be a record (at least in recent years) for # of areas open 2 weekends before Thanksgiving? Anyone have any stats? I'm seeing 7 in NE: Killington, Mt Snow, Okemo, SR, BW, Wildcat, Sugarloaf (Sunday). Others?

    Wachusett has announced a Sunday opening.  Jiminy Peak is hinting that they'll open this weekend. Jay Peak is hinting at it.  And Hunter just announced that they're making snow top to bottom now and to stay tuned for opening information...
  • sugarloafsugarloaf expert
    Posts: 810

    Carinthia is closed this weekend and beyond per the snow report. That means no close in handicapped parking and no skiing for me until it becomes available again. This is why I did not buy a season pass.

    Ski Conditions Report: A detailed report describing the snow conditions on the mountain the day of your visit. Skiers should become familiar with the following snow surface descriptions: Ice: Packed Powder, Slush: Packed Powder, Frozen Granular: Packed Powder , Packed Powder - A thin covering of snow over bare earth.

  • mtsnow123mtsnow123 advanced
    Posts: 358
    sugarloaf said:

    Carinthia is closed this weekend and beyond per the snow report. That means no close in handicapped parking and no skiing for me until it becomes available again. This is why I did not buy a season pass.

    Yikes, if it's closed all season it will be interesting to see all the park rats riding from the summit down Long John. They should advocate for Sundance parking for Carinthia riders.
  • DrJeffDrJeff advanced
    Posts: 332
    sugarloaf said:

    Carinthia is closed this weekend and beyond per the snow report. That means no close in handicapped parking and no skiing for me until it becomes available again. This is why I did not buy a season pass.

    If I'm not mistaken, there's atleast a half dozen handicap spots in the paved drop off circle near the main base lodge adjacent to the clock tower building. While it might be a slightly greater distance to the lift from there verses at Carinthia, it's no more of a vertical climb
  • DrJeffDrJeff advanced
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    mtsnow123 said:

    sugarloaf said:

    Carinthia is closed this weekend and beyond per the snow report. That means no close in handicapped parking and no skiing for me until it becomes available again. This is why I did not buy a season pass.

    Yikes, if it's closed all season it will be interesting to see all the park rats riding from the summit down Long John. They should advocate for Sundance parking for Carinthia riders.
    The Carinthia Lodge, and a decent amount of it's parking lots, will be open for business as usual this season, just not for another couple of weeks (I've heard both Thanksgiving Weekend and the 1st Weekend of December as the dates likely) - Currently, there's apparently too much construction equipment and active outdoor construction work on the new Carinthia Lodge going on, exterior work that they're wanting to get done before winter really sets in, so they can focus on working on the interior, in a much more comfortable environment, non stop.

    As I understand it, the majority of pre-existing parking spaces at Carinthia will be available this season once they open it up. And considering the only time I can recall ever seeing the Carinthia lots full were when they hosted the Winter X-games and Dew Tour, the loss of some spots likely won't be an issue there...
  • sugarloafsugarloaf expert
    Posts: 810
    DrJeff said:

    sugarloaf said:

    Carinthia is closed this weekend and beyond per the snow report. That means no close in handicapped parking and no skiing for me until it becomes available again. This is why I did not buy a season pass.

    If I'm not mistaken, there's atleast a half dozen handicap spots in the paved drop off circle near the main base lodge adjacent to the clock tower building. While it might be a slightly greater distance to the lift from there verses at Carinthia, it's no more of a vertical climb
    That area only has drop off parking. The handicapped parking is on a slope, unpaved and quite alot further from the lift than Carinthia. I wish the drop off area had handicapped spots, that would be ideal.

    Ski Conditions Report: A detailed report describing the snow conditions on the mountain the day of your visit. Skiers should become familiar with the following snow surface descriptions: Ice: Packed Powder, Slush: Packed Powder, Frozen Granular: Packed Powder , Packed Powder - A thin covering of snow over bare earth.

  • 4aprice4aprice intermediate
    Posts: 98
    Interesting.  Belleayre still blowing today, but it dosen't look like for an early opening, say like next week.  Heard that Blue and Big Boulder were at in the Poconos but Camelback blew no snow as of today and they are usually pretty aggressive.

    Alex

    Lake Hopatcong, NJ
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
    Posts: 1,942
    A bunch of areas are blowing that have no intention of opening for a while: Stowe has been blowing for at least a week and isn't opening until next Friday, McIntyre is blowing and they probably won't open until Dec.  I suspect some who could blow today are waiting at least until the next reading from the electric company due to demand rates that most of them use.


  • lotsoskiinglotsoskiing expert
    Posts: 922

    A bunch of areas are blowing that have no intention of opening for a while: Stowe has been blowing for at least a week and isn't opening until next Friday, McIntyre is blowing and they probably won't open until Dec.  I suspect some who could blow today are waiting at least until the next reading from the electric company due to demand rates that most of them use.



    That's why MRG is making snow. Stockpile it when you can!
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
    Posts: 1,942

    A bunch of areas are blowing that have no intention of opening for a while: Stowe has been blowing for at least a week and isn't opening until next Friday, McIntyre is blowing and they probably won't open until Dec.  I suspect some who could blow today are waiting at least until the next reading from the electric company due to demand rates that most of them use.



    That's why MRG is making snow. Stockpile it when you can!
    Yes - and those 3 guns are strategically placed to hit some vulnerable spots and corners where one comes back into the lift base area.
  • 4aprice4aprice intermediate
    Posts: 98

    A bunch of areas are blowing that have no intention of opening for a while: Stowe has been blowing for at least a week and isn't opening until next Friday, McIntyre is blowing and they probably won't open until Dec.  I suspect some who could blow today are waiting at least until the next reading from the electric company due to demand rates that most of them use.


    And I have no problem with that.  Will 90% likely not start myself till after T-day. It does say however that they must be expecting reasonable weather in order to maintain it.  50's here in the NYC area next week (pretty normal).  My seasons are mostly weighted to the back side anyways.(never want to quit till its gone).  

    Alex

    Lake Hopatcong, NJ

  • TomWhiteTomWhite expert
    Posts: 522

    I’m surprised to see 80 mill. g is the amount of water that
    SR has used already for snowmaking. Mt. Snow’s says, West Lake will have a 120
    mill. g storage capacity. Mt. Snow also said that Snow Lake will be eliminated.
    SR’s figure makes me wonder if West Lake is large enough for Mt. Snow. With
    Cold Brook running low at peak snowmaking season, I would think they can’t draw
    much water out at this time of year. 

    Making winter happen.

    It was a chilly night here on the mountain with temperatures in the teens and our snowmakers were hard at work pumping out the snow. Snow was made on ten trails, and groomed out this morning. Fun factoid: our pumphouse has pushed out over 80,000,000 gallons of water to make snow in November. It's a lot of work, but it pays off.

  • newpylongnewpylong expert
    Posts: 605
    Are you sure Cold Brook runs low in winter? That's the opposite of what I have seen and is atypical of most watersheds like it.
  • DrJeffDrJeff advanced
    Posts: 332
    newpylong said:

    Are you sure Cold Brook runs low in winter? That's the opposite of what I have seen and is atypical of most watersheds like it.

    Agree 100%!

    Even before West Lake, Mount Snow has typically been able to refill Snow Lake, which was fed by a stream similar in size/flow rate to the Cold Brook, in 3 or 4 days throughout the winter.

    Cold Brook, my hunch is may even have a higher flow rate as it drops downhill more dramatically than the stream that feeds Snow Lake.

    Plus, as I'm sure Newplylong will agree with, it's not like a ski resorts snowmaking storage ponds start the season full, and that is all the water that they have for the entire season, and as long as long term the refill rates for the ponds are greater than the total pumping out over the run of snowmaking operations, then they're not going to run out of water.  So even if Mount Snow runs their system max out, they're pumping out about 16.8 million gallons per day.  If they're pumping back in say 5 million gallons a day (just under 3500 gallons per minute), it would take about 16 continuous days of max running of the system to drain West Lake, and my hunch is with the new system and the output it has, and the quantity of snowmaking terrain that Mount Snow currently has, that they'd pretty much have everything they can make snow on covered in those 16 days.

    As Mount Snow has stated in the lead up to West Lake, their intentions now are to pump about 400 million gallons per season (roughly 1 million gallons per acre of snowmaking terrain currently present), so by seasons end, they're expecting to be fully refilling West Lake almost 3 times.  So there's some flow for sure in the Cold Brook
  • TomWhiteTomWhite expert
    Posts: 522

    Thanks Dr. Jeff for those details. I’m sure Mt. Snow’s engineers used
    some of the $30 million to figure all this out. However, I do remember that the
    whole point of snowmaking ponds in Vermont was to
    satisfy environment concerns. Peak snowmaking time (Nov. – Jan.) is low flow time
    for streams. Fish need deeper holes to survive the winter. I have no idea if
    Cold Brook in that area sustains much fish life. But that was the basic concept
    in the arrangement to give ski areas adequate water for snowmaking.

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